Lordship Salvation?

He. But whatever.

 

That's really funny. It's the root of the word! The root of the word has "Nothing" to do with its definition?

I was being sarcastic. That wasn't my "reason". My reason is that that is what the word means.

Your "Strongs-concordance-textual-criticism-101- exegesis", notwithstanding.

 

From Ancient Greek translations of the OT.

 

bypassing the definition and skipping to the root ignoring the intent of the word works for guys like chitwood and craig and ...I cant think of that other nut who espouses this heresy. The word used was not the root word and it changes the context. Clearly this is common sense. and your OT references have no bearing onthis discussion.

 

Let's look at another verse.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

This is the same word. Same greek, Aionios, meaning forever, without end.

Does eternal life that Christ offers last forever, without end or does it last 1000 years (age lasting)?

 

In other words, the way that actual Greek speak speaking people used the Greek word, aionios, in Biblical times means nothing. You say a suffix completely changes the meaning of the word so it is so.

Chitwood, Craig, (Your nut, probably my dear friend, Joey Faust) are just the tip of the iceburg.

And none of them had a time machine nor could they go back and teach the Greeks what they thought the word should really mean. so I doubt if they had much influence on Justyn Martyr, Josephus and those other "nuts".

 

It depends on the context. How long is the age? That's how long "age-lasting" lasts! :BangHead:

lacy

 

Are you saying you don't know how long "eternity" is when Christ said "should not perish but have eternal life"?

 

My humble advice, Amy: Give it up. They connections they're making in order to interpret "eternal life" as meaning "life for 1000 years" is so ridiculous it doesn't deserve attention. I put it on par with Ruckman's alien fetish.

 

Yea none of them believed that heresy either.

 

You are probably right.

What am I doing up this late??

I'm going to catch some :sleeping_2:

Good night guys!

 

One last word of support...

The Greek words are "thousand" and "years", not "eon". Isn't it amazing that these people actually knew how to say 1,000 years when they meant 1,000 years? They weren't so dumb, after all, I guess.

 

I never thought of looking at it from that angle. Must be because I'm delirious from lack of sleep. :laugh: Good night again.

 

Chitwood faust and craig may all agree on this junk but having Baptist on thier church name (like chitwood) doesnt make them baptist. this is not baptist doctrine.

 

I know that you and I agree in this area about Lordship Salvation, but I have a question for you: What happens if a person quits believing? Now, I'm talking about a person who really does believe on the Lord Jesus for his salvation, but something happens in life that makes him stop believing. What happens?

 

And, as most Greek textbooks will point out, properly, an adjective's semantic domain cannot exceed the semantic domain of the noun from which it is formed. "Oh! Except in this one instance," people say. Show me another instance.

Lacy, I like the way the KJV translates the word "aenaon" (yet a different word) as "everlasting" in Genesis 49:26, but as "lasting" in Deuteronomy 33:15. Do you suppose the KJV translators might just have been aware that "aionion" doesn't mean "forever and ever without end"?

"Aion" is "age". It's a limited period of time, without any reference to the length of that time inherent in the word. It could be the age of a particular reign, and it could be a few years, or it could be many years. We are given 7 ages of this Earth, and we are in the 6th one now. (There was one society that in later years defined an age as 107 years, but that was unique to that society.)

But, we are told in no uncertain terms that the age to come is 1000 years. It's a millennium.

The Greek also has a word that matches up to our modern use of "eternal", and that's "aidios". It's only used twice in the Bible. It means "without beginning or ending" or "existing outside of time".

The Greek also has an expression that means "forever". It's "[FONT=&quot]εις τοὺς αιωνας των αιώνων" or literally “from the ages unto the ages”.

But, I guess God was too inarticulate to actually say what he meant, so he had to say something completely different and then those of us who were smart enough in the 20th and 21st centuries could finally understand what he was too inarticulate to say way back then.

Show me an example of ancient writings in which "aionios" meant "forever". Show me an example of an adjective that properly exceeds the bounds of the semantic domain of the noun from which it is formed.
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Well, Strong's is very weak, and is mostly only a concordance and not a lexicon. However, let's take a look at the English etymology of the word "eternal":

c.1366 (in variant form eterne), from O.Fr. eternal, from L.L. æternalis, from L. æternus contraction of æviternus "of great age," from ævum "age." Eternity first attested c.1374. In the Mercian hymns, L. æternum is glossed by O.E. ecnisse.

See anything in there about "forever"?

 

Most Greek textbooks explain that the semantic domain of the adjective cannot exceed the semantic domain of the noun from which it is formed.

Then, goes on to "explain", "well, except for this one".

Well, show me another one, and show me a single example of ancient Greek writings in which "aionios" is used to mean "forever". BTW, if it means "without beginning or ending", then how do we inherit it, since we all have a beginning?

 

Let me ask you a question, Amy: What happens if a person really, really, really, TRULY believes on the Lord Jesus, then at some point, something happens and he stops believing?

 

npetreley,

:laugh: you make me laugh, you're funny.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!