Love requires choice?

[Winman]

Stop being such a weasel, innocent babies are not what we're talking about here. You have implied it is possible for one to remain sinless beyond the age of accountability.

Don't be a weasel Winman, is this not correct?

I have said that no person HAS to sin. What I mean is that I do not believe a person is irresistibly compelled by their sin nature to sin as YOU and others like DHK seem to be saying. I have lied hundreds of times in my life, but I could have told the truth each and every time if I had chosen to do so. And if you are honest you will admit the same.

But I believe every single person who matures and understands right from wrong will choose to sin for many various reasons. They don't have to, but they will choose to.

Your wife asks you if you like dinner tonight. It tastes like cardboard, but you don't want to upset her, so you lie and tell her it is delicious. People lie for all sorts of reasons, but they don't have to, you could have told her the truth.

Why can't you understand what I am saying?

A good analogy is baseball. Is it possible for a person to hit 1.000? Yes, in theory it is absolutely possible to get a hit every single time you come to the plate. But has anyone ever hit 1.000? No, unless they only batted a few times.

So, it is possible to always do right, but nobody has ever done it except for Jesus.

What I am saying is true. I am not saying people do not need Jesus, everyone who has sinned needs Jesus, and that is all men. But I do not believe it includes little babies and small children who never sinned.

Tell me a sin that a newborn baby can commit.

 

[kyredneck]

So, saying we have a choice and never have to sin denies that we are sinners and do not need a Saviour? That's some loopy logic you got going there.

….if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nought. Gal 2:21

No, the cockamamie garbage you're dishing out here is beyond loopy, it's anti-Christian.

No one is capable of remaining sinless. Not one. We all everyone absolutely require the atonement and the imputation of Christ's righteousness. Period.

Your stupid obsessive crusade against the truths of sovereign grace has led you into great error.

 

[DHK]

A good analogy is baseball. Is it possible for a person to hit 1.000? Yes, in theory it is absolutely possible to get a hit every single time you come to the plate. But has anyone ever hit 1.000? No, unless they only batted a few times.

So, it is possible to always do right, but nobody has ever done it except for Jesus.

Not even in theory. No, your analogy doesn't work.

 

[Winman]

….if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nought. Gal 2:21

No, the cockamamie garbage you're dishing out here is beyond loopy, it's anti-Christian.

No one is capable of remaining sinless. Not one.

Your stupid obsessive crusade against the truths of sovereign grace have led you into great error.

You are wrong, millions of babies are aborted every year. They have never committed a single sin just like Jacob and Esau when they were in their mother's womb.

Kind of funny, Romans 9:11 is one of Calvinism's favorite verses to prove Unconditional Election, but it utterly refutes Original Sin and Total Depravity.
Little unborn babies are not sinful, the word of God says so.

 

[Winman]

Not even in theory. No, your analogy doesn't work.

Baloney, unless the pitcher intentionally walks you, it is always possible to get a hit.

Now, I said "possible", not probable. It is not probable that you will get a hit every time you come to bat, statistics show that most batters will bat under .300. Nevertheless, in all reality, it is always "possible" to get a hit each and every time you come to bat if the pitcher throws the ball within striking distance.

 

[kyredneck]

You are wrong, millions of babies are aborted every year. They have never committed a single sin just like Jacob and Esau when they were in their mother's womb.

Kind of funny, Romans 9:11 is one of Calvinism's favorite verses to prove Unconditional Election, but it utterly refutes Original Sin and Total Depravity.
Little unborn babies are not sinful, the word of God says so.

You keep weaseling and deflecting off to the topic of innocent babies, we're not talking about innocent babies, and you know that.

Stop weaseling. You say it is possible for a man to live a sinless life.

 

[DHK]

Baloney, unless the pitcher intentionally walks you, it is always possible to get a hit.

Now, I said "possible", not probable. It is not probable that you will get a hit every time you come to bat, statistics show that most batters will bat under .300. Nevertheless, in all reality, it is always "possible" to get a hit each and every time you come to bat if the pitcher throws the ball within striking distance.

In professional baseball some pitchers are far more skilled then some of the batters. It is impossible that those batters will hit every time. In fact their averages are so low that one knows that just getting a hit might be a bit of luck. Look at the averages of the pitchers. They are not going to get a hit everytime--guaranteed. It is not even possible. They face too skilled an opponent.
Why not put it the other way around?
Is it possible for the pitcher to strike out all of his opponents? Why not?
Because both premises can't be true at the same time.
If they could baseball wouldn't exist.

 

[Winman]

You keep weaseling and deflecting off to the topic of innocent babies, we're not talking about innocent babies, and you know that.

Stop weaseling. You say it is possible for a man to live a sinless life.

Yes, in theory it is possible, just like in baseball, in theory it is possible to hit 1.000. That said, no one except Jesus has lived a sinless life, and no one has ever batted 1.000.

You are the guys that are being weasels, not one of you has named a sin you were forced to commit. DHK said we have to commit unintentional sins, but that is nonsense, once you learn the sin you can easily choose not to commit it.

Now, just like baseball, being perfect is not easy. You can compare the world and it's temptations to that pitcher that can throw a 99 MPH sinker. Yeah, you can hit it, but it ain't easy. And the world can throw you some mighty powerful temptations that are difficult to resist.

For instance, debating with you guys often tempts me to lose my cool. [offensive language edited]
I just threw you a splitter. :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_0rZB2Dqig

 

[kyredneck]

Yes, in theory it is possible...

Then Christ died for nought.

 

[Winman]

See how easy it was to make you guys lose your cool. :laugh:

 

[DHK]

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
--Is it possible to continue in all things that are written in the law from birth to death, and not break a single law.

 

[Winman]

Then Christ died for nought.

That's ridiculous. Jesus would only have died for nought if every person lived a sinless life, which nobody who reaches the age of accountability has or will ever do.

These are very poor arguments.

 

[DHK]

See how easy it was to make you guys lose your cool. :laugh:

It was your post that was edited. It is against the rules to refer to others as "idiots."

 

[Winman]

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
--Is it possible to continue in all things that are written in the law from birth to death, and not break a single law.

I don't know what's going on here, but you guys must be debating with someone else. I have not claimed that any man can be justified by keeping the law. The scriptures say, For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Why do you all keep misrepresenting my view? Nobody is fooled.

Saying that it is possible to get a hit each time you come to bat is not saying any man has ever gotten a hit each time he comes to bat or ever will.

Nevertheless, it is absolutely possible for him to get a hit each and every time he comes to bat. It is highly improbable, but it is completely possible.

 

[kyredneck]

See how easy it was to make you guys lose your cool. :laugh:

It's what the serpent excels in.

 

[DHK]

I don't know what's going on here, but you guys must be debating with someone else. I have not claimed that any man can be justified by keeping the law. The scriptures say, For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Why do you all keep misrepresenting my view? Nobody is fooled.

Saying that it is possible to get a hit each time you come to bat is not saying any man has ever gotten a hit each time he comes to bat or ever will.

Nevertheless, it is absolutely possible for him to get a hit each and every time he comes to bat. It is highly improbable, but it is completely possible.

No it isn't.
It is just as possible as a pitcher striking out every batter.
If both are possible then there would be no game of baseball would there?

 

[Winman]

It was your post that was edited. It is against the rules to refer to others as "idiots."

I was actually trying to show why it is difficult not to sin. I knew that word would offend you, I said it on purpose. That said, you did not have to let it offend you, you did not have to get angry.

You could have laughed, I said it tongue in cheek. That is why I showed the laughing smiley.

 

[Luke2427]

... I have lied hundreds of times in my life, but I could have told the truth each and every time if I had chosen to do so. ...

Then why didn't you?

 

[kyredneck]

I don't know what's going on here, but you guys must be debating with someone else. I have not claimed that any man can be justified by keeping the law.....

Again, if not by obeying the law of God, how then exactly do these that you theorize of remaining sinless, do so?

How does one remain sinless and NOT keep the law?

 

[Winman]

No it isn't.
It is just as possible as a pitcher striking out every batter.
If both are possible then there would be no game of baseball would there?

Both are true. It is always possible for a good pitcher to strike out his opponent.

It is a good analogy, because in reality it really is possible to get a hit every time. Even horrible pitches can be hit, Yogi Berra was famous for hitting bad pitches. He said, "If I can hit it, then it is a good pitch."

But the point is, we never HAVE to sin. We choose to sin. Sure, somebody like me can insult you and you have a good reason to lose your cool, nevertheless, you are still responsible for how you handle yourself.

And even things like being tired can make a difference. If I am well rested, I can handle people who are aggravating quite well. But if I am tired I tend to lose my temper easily. Nevertheless, I still do not have to sin.