Lucid Long Range

[Van]

Recently a new EV, the Lucid is said by the EPA to have a 517 mile range, using its 113 KWh battery. That works out to about 4.6 Miles per KWh. By comparison the EPA says the Tesla Model 3 gets 4.0 MPKwh.

The higher efficiency has been attributed to low drag, less rolling resistance, more efficient motors, and a higher voltage operating system (900 volts versus 400 volts).

OTOH, if the "16% more range" claim for the 4680 cells materializes, then the 4.0 MPKwh would go to 4.6 MPKwh too.

Another claim by Lucid is rapid charging afforded by the high voltage such as 300 miles of range can be added to the battery charge in 20 minutes.

But before we go ga-ga, the Lucid models start around $78,000 and go up to about $170,000.

 

[Two Wings]

elect carts are good for local runs of stop/sneak. not cross country cruising.

 

[Van]

elect carts are good for local runs of stop/sneak. not cross country cruising.

Lets see, start out with 400 mile full charge range, then spend 40 minutes recharging for an additional 400 miles of range and that means you can drive 700 miles in a day. Sounds like enough for most folks to drive cross country.

But with a $78,000 or more price tag, an actual cross country electric vehicle is still future, an as yet unfulfilled promise. Mid 2022 the Model Y may should up with a 400 plus range in the $50,000 price range, but that too is future promise, not our current reality.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

From a firefighting aspect these vehicles are horrendous, and deadly.

There's been documented cases of these vehicles reigniting after being put out as long as 7 days after a crash while sitting in a junkyard.

They say you need 20,000 gallons of water to put out one of these vehicle fires. For reference the biggest tanker in my little 3-bay metal building fire station holds 1250 gallons. If my neighbor and I were on-scene on a vehicle fire with an EV we would need to make 16 trips back and forth drafting water from our creeks to put out a fire.

In comparison I can knock out a 200ftx50ft brush fire with a single load of water.

People are literally driving on a firebomb and don't know it! These vehicles are all-around resource and labor intensive.

 

[Reynolds]

Recently a new EV, the Lucid is said by the EPA to have a 517 mile range, using its 113 KWh battery. That works out to about 4.6 Miles per KWh. By comparison the EPA says the Tesla Model 3 gets 4.0 MPKwh.

The higher efficiency has been attributed to low drag, less rolling resistance, more efficient motors, and a higher voltage operating system (900 volts versus 400 volts).

OTOH, if the "16% more range" claim for the 4680 cells materializes, then the 4.0 MPKwh would go to 4.6 MPKwh too.

Another claim by Lucid is rapid charging afforded by the high voltage such as 300 miles of range can be added to the battery charge in 20 minutes.

But before we go ga-ga, the Lucid models start around $78,000 and go up to about $170,000.

Still cost more to drive than my car did before Joe Screwed gas prices.

 

[Van]

Still cost more to drive than my car did before Joe Screwed gas prices.

Totally agree, the purchase price of BEV's drives up the cost of transportation above that of a new econo-box Ford.

But returning to the theme of promise, if the 4680 cells do cut the battery cost in half, then a $25,000 Tesla will bring parity.

 

[Van]

From a firefighting aspect these vehicles are horrendous, and deadly.

There's been documented cases of these vehicles reigniting after being put out as long as 7 days after a crash while sitting in a junkyard.

They say you need 20,000 gallons of water to put out one of these vehicle fires. For reference the biggest tanker in my little 3-bay metal building fire station holds 1250 gallons. If my neighbor and I were on-scene on a vehicle fire with an EV we would need to make 16 trips back and forth drafting water from our creeks to put out a fire.

In comparison I can knock out a 200ftx50ft brush fire with a single load of water.

Here is an actual quote:

Regarding the risk of electrochemical failure, [this] report concludes that the propensity and severity of fires and explosions from the accidental ignition of flammable electrolytic solvents used in Li-ion battery systems are anticipated to be somewhat comparable to or perhaps slightly less than those for gasoline or diesel vehicular fuels. The overall consequences for Li-ion batteries are expected to be less because of the much smaller amounts of flammable solvent released and burning in a catastrophic failure situation.[1]

 

[Van]

Returning to the reduced "operating cost" of BEV's the cost is less than fossil fuel vehicles. For example, say a BEV averages 3.5 miles per KWh and the average cost of a KWh is 18 cents. (350 miles for $18.00) OTOH, if your car averages 27 Miles per gallon, and your gas costs $3.50 per gallon, then your cost to go 350 miles would be about $45.00.

 

[Wingman68]

Returning to the reduced "operating cost" of BEV's the cost is less than fossil fuel vehicles. For example, say a BEV averages 3.5 miles per KWh and the average cost of a KWh is 18 cents. (350 miles for $18.00) OTOH, if your car averages 27 Miles per gallon, and your gas costs $3.50 per gallon, then your cost to go 350 miles would be about $45.00.

But how much is that electric gonna cost if all cars go electric? My utility is already short on supply after going green. They can’t handle it now, but they don’t care. They upped our price by 50% during the summer to discourage people from running air. The have’s don’t ever suffer, it’s just the have nots that end up holding the bag in progressive utopia.

 

[Reynolds]

Returning to the reduced "operating cost" of BEV's the cost is less than fossil fuel vehicles. For example, say a BEV averages 3.5 miles per KWh and the average cost of a KWh is 18 cents. (350 miles for $18.00) OTOH, if your car averages 27 Miles per gallon, and your gas costs $3.50 per gallon, then your cost to go 350 miles would be about $45.00.

If had is $150 per gallon and you calculate battery cost in the equation, gas is much cheaper than electric. That is why Joe Brandon has to make sure gas prices are sky high.

 

[37818]

. . . progressive utopia.

You mean their communism.

 

[Van]

But how much is that electric gonna cost if all cars go electric? My utility is already short on supply after going green. They can’t handle it now, but they don’t care. They upped our price by 50% during the summer to discourage people from running air. The have’s don’t ever suffer, it’s just the have nots that end up holding the bag in progressive utopia.

To argue against something by using a future possibility is to argue nonsense. What if people use their solar power roof system to fix the cost at less than today?

Next, it is fiction to claim we do not have enough generation to power cars of today. Yes, as the transition to electrics continues, more electric generation will be needed. But there is time to build roof solar panels, and install residential storage batteries.

 

[37818]

I do not what an all electric car - even if charging the battery without exploding can be done in less than 15 minutes.

 

[Van]

If had is $150 per gallon and you calculate battery cost in the equation, gas is much cheaper than electric. That is why Joe Brandon has to make sure gas prices are sky high.

I used gas at $3.50, and KWh at 18 cents. And I said the cost of batteries may be cut in half soon with the 4680 cell production.
To deny that BEV's will replace the Fossil Fuelers is to mimic an Ostrich.

 

[37818]

I used gas at $3.50, and KWh at 18 cents. And I said the cost of batteries may be cut in half soon with the 4680 cell production.
To deny that BEV's will replace the Fossil Fuelers is to mimic an Ostrich.

So you believe this battery can be charged in 5 minutes or less and electricity will be more efficient and cheapper than a combustion fuel?

 

[Van]

I do not what an all electric car - even if charging the battery without exploding can be done in less than 15 minutes.

Lets say the average miles driven per day is less than 50 miles. At 3.5 miles per KWh, it would take a charge of about 15 KWhs and that would take the Lucid less than 5 minutes.

OTOH, if you worked from home and your car charged in your garage, the daily average could be supplied in less than 4 hours.

 

[Van]

So you believe this battery can be charged in 5 minutes or less and electricity will be more efficient and cheapper than a combustion fuel?

As I said, the Lucid battery system claims to able to charge enough to go 300 miles in 20 minutes. I do not know the price per KWh from those "supercharger" stations.

Power from residential solar panels is less expensive that from utilities. A rough estimate indicates the capital costs will be off set by savings in less than 15 years. If you factor in the expected increase in generation cost due to reduction if fossil fuel production, that bargain gets even better...

 

[Reynolds]

I used gas at $3.50, and KWh at 18 cents. And I said the cost of batteries may be cut in half soon with the 4680 cell production.
To deny that BEV's will replace the Fossil Fuelers is to mimic an Ostrich.

I didn't say they never would. As of right now, if the gas prices were not being intentionally inflated by the Democrats, fossil fuel is cheaper.

 

[JonC]

From a firefighting aspect these vehicles are horrendous, and deadly.

There's been documented cases of these vehicles reigniting after being put out as long as 7 days after a crash while sitting in a junkyard.

They say you need 20,000 gallons of water to put out one of these vehicle fires. For reference the biggest tanker in my little 3-bay metal building fire station holds 1250 gallons. If my neighbor and I were on-scene on a vehicle fire with an EV we would need to make 16 trips back and forth drafting water from our creeks to put out a fire.

In comparison I can knock out a 200ftx50ft brush fire with a single load of water.

People are literally driving on a firebomb and don't know it! These vehicles are all-around resource and labor intensive.

On the other hand my truck (gas) operates by making a lot of explosions under the hood using volatile fuel stored in a tank under the bed of the truck .

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

On the other hand my truck (gas) operates by making a lot of explosions under the hood using volatile fuel stored in a tank under the bed of the truck .

Give me a good old gas vehicle fire any old day . I wouldn't want to ever have to deal with an EV fire. If there's ever a fire in a rural area with an EV that department is going to be up a certain creek without a paddle, especially during the hours of 7am to 6pm on weekdays.

Here's a quick video on it.