A lot of people got rich under Obama.
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Lucifer's arrogance continues
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A lot of people got rich under Obama.
Sure, she is the real candidate now and she is amoral but look at how Mussolini came to power in Italy. You are safe because you are not in a big city.
KenH
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Huh?
Mussolini used roving bands of socialist thugs to beat up middle-class people on the street's of cities. That is what we have seen all summer with no end in sight.
Huh?
Do you think that the riots are continuing because if the GOP wins this election, the criminal investigation will continue into the Clintons and the Obamas? There is more and more information about Bill Clinton's close connection to Epstein and even Hillary went one a plane trip with them to a secluded holiday destination. And Obama and Biden set the FBI on Trump and the FBI lied to the FISA courts but those judges and agents are still drawing paychecks in spite of their criminal activities. The riots are designed to detract attention from that.
KenH
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I think people(all of us) sin because, as the Bible tells us, we are all corrupted beings due to Adam’s fall in the Garden of Eden. We just all don’t sin in the same ways and to the same degrees(from a human point of view - we know that the “least” sin is awful in God’s sight).
Scott Downey
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One reason sin is so awful, consider that the devil is a liar and the father of it. When you lie your giving into the flesh and the old nature ruled over by the devil. What lie did Peter speak to the Lord?? And got rebuked for it in this way...
Peter lied in v22. And the Lord tells Peter that Satan was speaking the lie by the means of using Peter in His strong response.
21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.
22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
Peter lied in v22. And the Lord tells Peter that Satan was speaking the lie by the means of using Peter in His strong response.
21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.
22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
KenH
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Praise be to God that our sins are not the end of the story:
“In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.” - Ephesians 1:7-10 ESV
Barack Obama Net Worth | Celebrity Net Worth
"Between 1991 and 2004, Barack never earned more than $30,000 for his work as a professor and state representative. The majority of the Obama family income during this time came from Michelle's lucrative salary as a lawyer working primarily for the University of Chicago hospital system.
In 2005 Barack's income jumped to $157,100 when he became a US Senator. In the same year, Michelle earned $273,618. In 2005, their total income was $1.65 million. Where did that extra $1.2 million come from???…
Barack Obama Net Worth: $70 Million"
Politics pays off!
Christians misjudge their vote IMHO.Considering that once upon a time I did not finalize on who to vote for president until I got out of bed on election day morning, your question is quite premature.
Also, Trump is a lock to win Arkansas, so my vote is basically meaningless for the Electoral College.
The issue is not how one's vote will be counted, or how it will (or will not) affect the election.
The issue is how a Christian uses his or her voice.
I can understand why Christians would not vote for Trump, and I respect that. I cannot understand how a Christian could vote for Biden, but I do understand why people vote for third party candidates and why they refuse to vote all together.
But that is from a perspective that we are responsible for how we use our voice, not for future outcomes.
KenH
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I do not believe that voting is a salvific issue.
Neither do I. But I do believe God will hold us accountable for how we use our voice.
KenH
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Unless you broadcast how you voted, no one knows, and no one is obligated to so state.
Yes that is correct... starting with the RC Bishop from his home town of Scranton PA. But he lives in Delaware now. So I won, won , wonder if he he ran away from his church and his God. Good question for Trump to hit him with as long as he (Trump) could field his own mis deeds.
She could be fired by the POTUS.
I do not believe we are accountable to one another, but to God in how we vote.
A professing Christian would be wrong to engage porn. Even if not caught God knows their heart. And, like the topic here, it is not a victimless issue even though that one person has no effect on the industry.
And trump
So you believe that God picks political favorites and we will be right with God by our political choices?
KenH
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Sorry, but I don’t think voting is anywhere near as big of an issue as you do. We just have a difference of opinion. We are corrupt humans voting on other corrupt humans, most of whom we have never met, never had a conversation with. Ever since man decided to reject God’s government in the Garden of Eden, he has been trying to replace it with his own. I am reminded of a quote from David Lipscomb’s book that makes a lot of sense to me on this subject -
David Lipscomb quoting B.U. Watkins in Lipscomb’s book, On Civil Government: Its Origin, Mission, and Destiny, and the Christian's Relation to It:
“One of the signs of the great Apostacy, was the union of Church and State. Its chosen symbol was a woman upon the back of a seven headed and ten horned beast. It is almost uniformly admitted, among American Protestants, that this is a well chosen symbol to represent the absurd, and unnatural union of Church and State. It is generally conceded, that the woman represents the Church, and the beast the old Roman civil government. This being true, it would appear far more natural for her to be riding the beast, than for him to have his locomotion promoted by the help of the woman! When the State comes forward and proffers its assistance, and the Church voluntarily accepts of such help, it might be a question, which would be the most to blame; the Church for accepting, or the State for offering such assistance. But when the Church gives, unasked, her power to the beast, no excuse can reasonably be pleaded. If the State supporting the Church, is called an adulterous union, I am unable to see, why the union is not equally intimate, and criminal, when the Church supports the State, by participating in all its responsibilities. When the Church offers her fellowship, and co-operation in framing all the laws of the land, and in choosing its judicial and executive officers - when even her members refuse not to become legislators, and are even forward to fill all the offices of human governments, I cannot see, but the relation between church and State, is as intimate as ever, and just as illegal. Ezekiel chided the ancient Hebrews for seeking such union with the nations; and he compares Israel to a woman of the lowest infamy. It is exceedingly painful to me, to see how aptly these symbols of John and Ezekiel apply to modern professors. But how greatly would I rejoice, if the reformation of the 19th century would arise and put on her beautiful garments, and show herself to be the true spouse of Christ. May the good Lord grant that this noble brotherhood, that I so dearly love, may soon see the whole truth! But here, I am met with the objection, that these institutions are ordained of God. And he who resists them resists an ordinance of God, and shall receive punishment. Let me here pause, and remark, that I would sooner be understood as taking the popular view of this passage, rather than appear to countenance any kind of war. Nothing is further from my intention. But the fact of civil government being ordained of God, is no proof of Divine approbation. So long as it can be clearly shown that he has ordained that one sinner should punish another, so long as we read in Isaiah, that Cyrus was sent against Babylon, although he knew not God, so long as we find it not difficult to admit the application of the above passage, to civil government, whether such be its meaning or not. To make the admission saves much time, and leaves the argument much more compact. Something is gained and nothing lost by granting all we can to our opponents. That God can overrule sin, without being responsible for its commission, and without having any complicity with it, is a thing so plain, that to turn aside to explain it would almost be an insult to those for whom these columns are written. Let a hint suffice. Pharaoh was raised up by God for a certain purpose, although his behavior was far from being approved of God. With a few axioms I will close this article. Axiom 1st, No man has the right of making laws for his own government. For such a right would include the double absurdity of making him independent of God, and responsible only to himself! Axiom 2nd. A republican government is one in which power is thought to be delegated by the people to their rulers, in their act of voting. Axiom 3rd. But a man cannot delegate a power he himself does not possess. Hence, INFERENCE 1st. As man has no inherent legislative power, he cannot transfer it to another. Hence, INFERENCE 2nd. Voting is therefore a deception, and a sham, making a deceiver of him, who votes, and a dupe of him who fancies himself the recipient of delegated power.”
I (obviously) disagree.
But while I do believe God will hold us accountable for our voice and thinks we support I also believe that is a matter between the Christian and God.
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