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I Appreciate ALL of the Feedback....
I didn't expect to have so many replies to this post, but, overall, I have learned something from each of you in regard to the responses. For the honest feedback, I am truly thankful.
I must admit that the reason I joined the BB was to gain a new group of fellow believers [world-wide] that would share their heart, and show their care. It is important for me to be able to share my opinions with you folks, and not FEAR ridicule, or character assassination. I have experienced both positive and negative comments, and to be honest, I am greatly disappointed in the "better-than-though" attitude from a few folks.
Some of the folks I've encountered on the BB have been highly judgmental and extremely opinionated, and that has been disappointing. If a person comes to this board and expresses their heart and in turn get their heart trampled on, than there is something seriously wrong with those who monitor this forum.
Like I said, I joined the BB to gain extended fellowship with people from all over the world. I joined the BB to express my concerns [right, wrong, dumb, etc.] and get honest feedback offered in "Christ like love." I joined the board to share what is happening in my little corner of the world, and get input as to what is going on in your little corner of the world. I joined the BB to make friends, and be able to ask for prayer without the FEAR of judgment or ridicule. I joined the BB in order to be part of the "family of God" and offer my prayerful support to others who have needs, concerns, frustrations, confusion, and hurt.
I would hope that the brothers and sisters who partake of the fellowship on this board come closer to each other as well as Jesus, regardless of our differences in doctrinal teachings, or denominational standings.
I may be wrong, but, IMHO, when someone puts their feelings out in the form of a post, I believe it is the Christian responsibility of everyone here to prayerfully approach that post with love, NOT contempt. If you can't reply without acrid like comments, I believe it would be best to exercise restraint and just not comment at all. What the world sees going on here on the BB is the only testimony many of them may ever see, and it could cause them to reject Christ all together.
Of course, this is my opinion, and I pray that Dr. Bob doesn't think I am posting this to cause arguments. I am simply expressing my heart, right, wrong, dumb, or whatever, this is how I see this board operating. I don't think it should be a "battle field" for opinions.
Finally, I have heard from the majority of you, and while I may not agree, I respect your opinions about the right of restaurants to decorate if they so desire, or not! I also learned some new ways to approach the season, and they were neat and heart warming.
Shalom,
Pastor Paul
I didn't expect to have so many replies to this post, but, overall, I have learned something from each of you in regard to the responses. For the honest feedback, I am truly thankful.
I must admit that the reason I joined the BB was to gain a new group of fellow believers [world-wide] that would share their heart, and show their care. It is important for me to be able to share my opinions with you folks, and not FEAR ridicule, or character assassination. I have experienced both positive and negative comments, and to be honest, I am greatly disappointed in the "better-than-though" attitude from a few folks.
Some of the folks I've encountered on the BB have been highly judgmental and extremely opinionated, and that has been disappointing. If a person comes to this board and expresses their heart and in turn get their heart trampled on, than there is something seriously wrong with those who monitor this forum.
Like I said, I joined the BB to gain extended fellowship with people from all over the world. I joined the BB to express my concerns [right, wrong, dumb, etc.] and get honest feedback offered in "Christ like love." I joined the board to share what is happening in my little corner of the world, and get input as to what is going on in your little corner of the world. I joined the BB to make friends, and be able to ask for prayer without the FEAR of judgment or ridicule. I joined the BB in order to be part of the "family of God" and offer my prayerful support to others who have needs, concerns, frustrations, confusion, and hurt.
I would hope that the brothers and sisters who partake of the fellowship on this board come closer to each other as well as Jesus, regardless of our differences in doctrinal teachings, or denominational standings.
I may be wrong, but, IMHO, when someone puts their feelings out in the form of a post, I believe it is the Christian responsibility of everyone here to prayerfully approach that post with love, NOT contempt. If you can't reply without acrid like comments, I believe it would be best to exercise restraint and just not comment at all. What the world sees going on here on the BB is the only testimony many of them may ever see, and it could cause them to reject Christ all together.
Of course, this is my opinion, and I pray that Dr. Bob doesn't think I am posting this to cause arguments. I am simply expressing my heart, right, wrong, dumb, or whatever, this is how I see this board operating. I don't think it should be a "battle field" for opinions.
Finally, I have heard from the majority of you, and while I may not agree, I respect your opinions about the right of restaurants to decorate if they so desire, or not! I also learned some new ways to approach the season, and they were neat and heart warming.
Shalom,
Pastor Paul
Think About Your Bias Web Dog
Pastor Paul
Your comment is a little strange....without the birth there could be NO ressurection. My comments about this season in no way takes anything away from the day we hold dear to our hearts {Easter}. Both are miraculous and supernaturally blessed in their own way.webdog said:
Pastor Paul
I'll be totally up front about the fact that I can't stand the ACLU, but I did do a little research as to whether they are attempting to make churches remove crosses, and here is a statement from the website:
Now, that's not to say that I really believe that they aren't working behind the scenes to find a way to make it illegal for churches to display crosses, but if I go to far into that, someone will accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist. :laugh: Suffice to say that for now their party line is that it is okay for churches to have a cross, but not for a government building to display the Ten Commandments. To which I say I'm glad they ain't found my town yet! Our courthouse just put up the ten commandments on the courthouse lawn a month or two ago. Take that ACLU!
As to the Christmas decorations, I agree that it is part of the slow, subtle shift in removing Christ completely from our society. Unfortunately, there is not much that can be done about it, and I'm not going to let it ruin my Christmas celebration. Let's face it...if you've read the Book, you know it's going to get a lot worse for a long time before it gets better, but you also know that in the end, we win! :jesus: :thumbs:
Now, that's not to say that I really believe that they aren't working behind the scenes to find a way to make it illegal for churches to display crosses, but if I go to far into that, someone will accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist. :laugh: Suffice to say that for now their party line is that it is okay for churches to have a cross, but not for a government building to display the Ten Commandments. To which I say I'm glad they ain't found my town yet! Our courthouse just put up the ten commandments on the courthouse lawn a month or two ago. Take that ACLU!
As to the Christmas decorations, I agree that it is part of the slow, subtle shift in removing Christ completely from our society. Unfortunately, there is not much that can be done about it, and I'm not going to let it ruin my Christmas celebration. Let's face it...if you've read the Book, you know it's going to get a lot worse for a long time before it gets better, but you also know that in the end, we win! :jesus: :thumbs:
David Lamb
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But suppose for a moment it were to be made illegal to erect cross signs, Christmas decorations and the like, would it really make any difference to biblical Christianity? The bible does not tell us to use the cross as a decoration, or to put up trees and lights, tinsel and glitter, to remember the Saviour's birth. Now I am not saying that such decorations are wrong, just that they are not an essential part of being a Christian.youngmom4 said:
As I said in an earlier reply on this thread, it is wrong to suppose that all the millions of people, restaurants and other businesses who do put up lights, streamers, holly, ivy, mistletoe and the rest at this time of year are doing so to honour the birth of the Messiah.
Heh, you both are right. Still, I say:
http://stoptheaclu.com/
The do look they're off this Grinch thing for now, cowering to Bill O'Reilly yet again. And CAIR, too, of course.:thumbs:
Why we call them the Anti-American Communist Lawyers' Union.:thumbs:
I don't know about the UK, David Lamb, but around here there have been all those tacky lights up everywhere for over a month already.
But I don't they're necessary to mark the nativity, nor are they blasphemous - but if it bothers the righteous dude about the lame-o Olive Gahden's calling Christmas a "holiday", he has every right to compalin and/or not patronize those said establishments.
Remember Pastor Paul, even the Religious Left as well as the ACLU does not tolerate intolerance to their intolerance. And we all know Jesus is the reason for this season.
:jesus:
Have a Merry Christmas.
http://stoptheaclu.com/
The do look they're off this Grinch thing for now, cowering to Bill O'Reilly yet again. And CAIR, too, of course.:thumbs:
Why we call them the Anti-American Communist Lawyers' Union.:thumbs:
I don't know about the UK, David Lamb, but around here there have been all those tacky lights up everywhere for over a month already.
But I don't they're necessary to mark the nativity, nor are they blasphemous - but if it bothers the righteous dude about the lame-o Olive Gahden's calling Christmas a "holiday", he has every right to compalin and/or not patronize those said establishments.
Remember Pastor Paul, even the Religious Left as well as the ACLU does not tolerate intolerance to their intolerance. And we all know Jesus is the reason for this season.
:jesus:
Have a Merry Christmas.
Do any of you recall reading or seeing The Dr Seuss story 'How the Grinch Stole Christmas' or The Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens. Do you recall the point of these? Compare the points with the points mentioned in these previous eight pages of attack and counter attack.
I personally think that if it is acceptable for the Islams to require an airport in Chicago to set aside special rooms for their worship then it is fine for anyone to mention to a store owner about the lack of 'Christmas' music or decorations.
I can not really debate all the points made but I always did enjoy the music and decorations that used to be displayed/played. I even actually bought my relatives and friends presents (GADS!).
For store owners/operators this time of year has become a very economic time of year especially the smaller operators that are enabled to continue for the next year.
So from this point of view if I was a store operator I would do everything I could to encourage people to get a 'happy' attitude in my place and perhaps buy some of my product. That would include music and decorations and saying Merry Christmas to all my patrons. By the way I was small operator (had three stores in Calif at one time) and did do this and not a single person complained.
I am sure all of you can 'cut' this post faster that someone can cut a poor tree from the forest but don't bother please!
Merry Christmas to all and may the Lord bless you this coming year.
I personally think that if it is acceptable for the Islams to require an airport in Chicago to set aside special rooms for their worship then it is fine for anyone to mention to a store owner about the lack of 'Christmas' music or decorations.
I can not really debate all the points made but I always did enjoy the music and decorations that used to be displayed/played. I even actually bought my relatives and friends presents (GADS!).
For store owners/operators this time of year has become a very economic time of year especially the smaller operators that are enabled to continue for the next year.
So from this point of view if I was a store operator I would do everything I could to encourage people to get a 'happy' attitude in my place and perhaps buy some of my product. That would include music and decorations and saying Merry Christmas to all my patrons. By the way I was small operator (had three stores in Calif at one time) and did do this and not a single person complained.
I am sure all of you can 'cut' this post faster that someone can cut a poor tree from the forest but don't bother please!
Merry Christmas to all and may the Lord bless you this coming year.
You Need to Apply for a Political Job
However, you truly have a gift of "spin" and you may want to consider applying for a job with the next president and his staff.
Merry Christmas and Happy Easter. Can't have one without the other!!!!!
Pastor paul
You can spin just about anything webdog, and as I read this response to you, I can see that I could never win this debate as to which is more important [the birth or ressurection].webdog said:
However, you truly have a gift of "spin" and you may want to consider applying for a job with the next president and his staff.
Merry Christmas and Happy Easter. Can't have one without the other!!!!!
Pastor paul
ccrobinson
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How are you construing what webdog said as "spin"? Spin typically refers to something in a negative light, and I don't quite get the negative here that you obviously do. Inconsequential, yes. Negative, not so much.
Easter is probably more important, but you can't have Easter without Christmas, so I really don't see the point of debating it. An equally compelling debate might be to discuss how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
I didn't recall seeing "spin" as a gift. Is that in 2 Opinions 3:1?righteousdude2 said:
Hey, I'm just doing what you claim to do... "I am simply expressing my heart, right, wrong, dumb, or whatever"
If you don't agree with that, and thinking I'm trying to "spin" something into something negative...then that's on you.
OKAY, Enough is Enough!
The differences between your argument about Easter and mine about Christmas, is likened to the old argument: What came first, the chicken or the egg? It's a no win argument. So I propose that we end this with a win-win ending.
You won't get an argument from me as to the supernatural greatness of Easter. I contend that both are special, Still to have an Easter, we needed a Christmas. I still contend that both are supernatural marvels. One has a child conceived by the Holy Spirit in a human [virgin], the other has a supernatural event occurring when the crucified Jesus resurrects and defeats our sin caused death. Neither, IMHO, are greater than the other. IMHO we needed the first to get to the second.
Have you ever considered that you are simply trying to split hairs? It has come to me that you have an antagonistic spirit that glories in the need to argue, and I do not desire to engage with you any longer, because nothing I say will be enough to change your opinionated heart.
I will do one thing in regard to your comments [on this board] in the future: I will pray, because it is quite apparent that you enjoy the opportunity to turn mine and others post into the hill that one of us must die on.
This is not my reason for posting and being part of the BB. It is apparent that you an I could not enjoy a cyber fellowship, so, good bye, and good luck as you move on to irritate others. As for me, I chose to live in peace. Your views [right, wrong or indifferent] neither make you right, or me wrong. What ever both of us say, is simply our views and opinions, and in the greater picture of the command to preach Christ risen from the grave [according to Matthew 28: 19-20], your argumentive victories over other people's views will not gain you a larger crown in glory.
Detente.....
You are right Mr. Webdog. Maybe spin is a little to the left or right of what you are doing. However, I am choose to be as excited with Christmas as I am with Easter. Your belief that Easter is the greatest of all seasons [my paraphrase of your words, sorry] is not an argument with me.webdog said:
The differences between your argument about Easter and mine about Christmas, is likened to the old argument: What came first, the chicken or the egg? It's a no win argument. So I propose that we end this with a win-win ending.
You won't get an argument from me as to the supernatural greatness of Easter. I contend that both are special, Still to have an Easter, we needed a Christmas. I still contend that both are supernatural marvels. One has a child conceived by the Holy Spirit in a human [virgin], the other has a supernatural event occurring when the crucified Jesus resurrects and defeats our sin caused death. Neither, IMHO, are greater than the other. IMHO we needed the first to get to the second.
Have you ever considered that you are simply trying to split hairs? It has come to me that you have an antagonistic spirit that glories in the need to argue, and I do not desire to engage with you any longer, because nothing I say will be enough to change your opinionated heart.
I will do one thing in regard to your comments [on this board] in the future: I will pray, because it is quite apparent that you enjoy the opportunity to turn mine and others post into the hill that one of us must die on.
This is not my reason for posting and being part of the BB. It is apparent that you an I could not enjoy a cyber fellowship, so, good bye, and good luck as you move on to irritate others. As for me, I chose to live in peace. Your views [right, wrong or indifferent] neither make you right, or me wrong. What ever both of us say, is simply our views and opinions, and in the greater picture of the command to preach Christ risen from the grave [according to Matthew 28: 19-20], your argumentive victories over other people's views will not gain you a larger crown in glory.
Detente.....
Let my respond to your post using your own words again...righteousdude2 said:
Some of the folks I've encountered on the BB have been highly judgmental and extremely opinionated, and that has been disappointing. If a person comes to this board and expresses their heart and in turn get their heart trampled on, than there is something seriously wrong with those who monitor this forum.
I guess this refers to everybody but you, huh? That's called hypocrisy. I wasnt' splitting hairs, nor trying to be argumentative. I see Christ's defeat of death as to what leads to my eternal life, not His birth (in regards to a particular moment in time, season as you call it. I never disagreed that Christ's birth was important). You disagree, which if fine. Other than that, we don't need a 6 paragraph post on how you are such the BB martyr, and how I am the BB-bb (bad boy).
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Let's End This Public Display of Dischord
Hey webdog: It's time to end any further communication between us. I do not like to converse with people who have a confrontational spirit. No one wins this one. And in the future, when it comes to you and I: N
NE WINS. I refuse to be the person at the other end of your attempts to put me down! Move on to another person that you can try to intimidate. I am not on the board to argue.
Moving on......
Hey webdog: It's time to end any further communication between us. I do not like to converse with people who have a confrontational spirit. No one wins this one. And in the future, when it comes to you and I: N
NE WINS. I refuse to be the person at the other end of your attempts to put me down! Move on to another person that you can try to intimidate. I am not on the board to argue.Moving on......
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Magnetic Poles
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And the beat goes on . . .
Why does someone come and make snide remarks, say they don't like name calling, then call webdog "webgod"; say they don't like confrontation, yet attack passive-aggressively; complain about others opinions, yet it is a debate board. There are fellowship fora here, but I doubt you'd be happy there either. You apparently want to spout your nonsense, then attack everyone who disagrees or calls you on your ad hominems, attacks, and accusations. Then you can't stand the heat and go start another thread to mount your personal vendetta.
Webdog and I often disagree, but we do so without the personal attacks. You are behaving badly for any human being, much less one who fancies himself a "pastor".
Why does someone come and make snide remarks, say they don't like name calling, then call webdog "webgod"; say they don't like confrontation, yet attack passive-aggressively; complain about others opinions, yet it is a debate board. There are fellowship fora here, but I doubt you'd be happy there either. You apparently want to spout your nonsense, then attack everyone who disagrees or calls you on your ad hominems, attacks, and accusations. Then you can't stand the heat and go start another thread to mount your personal vendetta.
Webdog and I often disagree, but we do so without the personal attacks. You are behaving badly for any human being, much less one who fancies himself a "pastor".
mcdirector
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Wow! I sure do HOPE that was a typo!
Magnetic Poles
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Everybody dance now!Joe said:Please everyone, break it up now
Oh, wait. It's a Baptist board! :laugh:
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