Majority Of Americans Think It's 'Bad For The Country' That Republicans Control The H

[Sapper Woody]

Re: Majority Of Americans Think It's 'Bad For The Country' That Republicans Control T

http://fox4kc.com/2013/10/21/gop-boehner-take-shutdown-hit-in-new-cnn-poll/

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/images/10/21/rel12a.pdf Full report at this site.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/21/politics/cnn-poll-gop-boehner-shutdown/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...icans-take-another-post-shutdown-polling-hit#

http://politicalhotwire.com/current...s-boehner-gop-cnn-orc-post-shutdown-poll.html

You do realize that all those links are citing the same liberal source, right? I think you just proved Don's point.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You do realize that all those links are citing the same liberal source, right? I think you just proved Don's point.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e5c062-3a84-11e3-b7ba-503fb5822c3e_story.html

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

For all of you RINO apologists that have lost perspective of history, John Kennedy was to the right of both Bushes, McCain and Romney.

See? You have to go back 50 years to find a sane Democrat. He and Truman both would be Republicans today.

 

[Don]

And Kennedy's opponents called him a Socialist. Just shows they use the word but have no idea what they are talking about.

Seems that even a majority of Republicans disagree with the House Republican stance;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e5c062-3a84-11e3-b7ba-503fb5822c3e_story.html

Yes, both sides took a hit. But the GOP took a much larger hit.

You know what's really amusing about that poll? Question #14: As you may know, a bill that makes major changes to the country's health care system became law in 2010. Based on what you have read or heard about that legislation, do you generally favor or generally oppose it?
October 18, 2013 - 41% favor, 56% oppose.

But the focus is on the Republicans, not what people think about the ACA....

 

[Crabtownboy]

You know what's really amusing about that poll? Question #14: As you may know, a bill that makes major changes to the country's health care system became law in 2010. Based on what you have read or heard about that legislation, do you generally favor or generally oppose it?
October 18, 2013 - 41% favor, 56% oppose.

But the focus is on the Republicans, not what people think about the ACA....

I am still undecided. I really do not believe most of us know enough about ACA to be in favor or opposed to it.

I am in favor of all people having health care insurance. Is ACA the best we can do. I doubt it. Is it better than what we have now. I am not sure. But I do know far too many people in our country do not have health insurance.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I am still undecided. I really do not believe most of us know enough about ACA to be in favor or opposed to it.

LOL. You seem to think you know enough about it to slam the folks who tried to stop it. More of CTBoy talking out of both sides of his mouth.

 

[Crabtownboy]

LOL. You seem to think you know enough about it to slam the folks who tried to stop it. More of CTBoy talking out of both sides of his mouth.

It was the manner in which they tried to stop it that I object to. There were no ideas on how to improve it. There was simply obstruction of anything proposed. That is now was for legislators to perform their duties.

If the Tea Party or House Republicans had proposed any constructive ideas I certainly would view them more favorably.

Not one of the GOP's so called "offers to negotiate" also offered anything constructive, only negatives. It was obvious they were not interested in true negotiations. Then when they switched to shutting down the government and their most profound leader would not even allow a vote ... what else is one to think other than that there is no interest in progress. I am not so stupid as to think that a group simply saying, NO! is to be respected.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Baloney. The dems OWN this horrible idea. You don't look to improve a turd, you flush it away, never to be seen again. Remember how hard you worked to bring this to us.

The republicans were locked out of every step on this law, until the vote. I believe you are being deliberately dishonest in this, either that, or you do not have enough knowledge in this area to mount an honest debate. Either way, what you are saying is not true, and good luck to you getting anyone to buy ANY of this as a republican mess.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Baloney. The dems OWN this horrible idea. You don't look to improve a turd, you flush it away, never to be seen again. Remember how hard you worked to bring this to us.

You miss my point entirely and I suppose there is no reason to try to restate it.

The republicans were locked out of every step on this law, until the vote. I believe you are being deliberately dishonest in this, either that, or you do not have enough knowledge in this area to mount an honest debate. Either way, what you are saying is not true, and good luck to you getting anyone to buy ANY of this as a republican mess.

Untrue, and even if it were true it was their own obstructionist fault. As we can see from polls and articles a large majority of Americans agree with me.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Of course, the logical outcome of this "proper channels" nonsense is Rosa Parks gets in the back of the bus, and uses legal methods, granted by the state, to get her point across.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You miss my point entirely and I suppose there is no reason to try to restate it.



Untrue, and even if it were true it was their own obstructionist fault. As we can see from polls and articles a large majority of Americans agree with me.

I know what your point is. Republicans are bad. That's your point. All the time. You missed my point. And I will repeat it. This is a democrat problem, as republicans were locked out of the debates.

Again you're trying to re-write history. I don't care about your polls that show most Americans can't think any better than you can. I care about the truth. And the truth is, this is a democrat problem. And the dems painted themselves in a corner with zero-care, and if enough people wake up, it should spell doom for them.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Of course, the logical outcome of this "proper channels" nonsense is Rosa Parks gets in the back of the bus, and uses legal methods, granted by the state, to get her point across.

Not unfortunately but tragically the logical outcome of this is if the GOP does not stop being Boll Weevil Democrats and worse they will disappear as a national party. As I have said before this will be tragic for America. Regardless of which party is in power the country needs a loyal, rational opposition party. Presently we do not have that.

As I have said before and even today in another posting, I have not moved since I was a Republican, the Republican Party moved replacing the Boll Weevils and I cannot support such ideas.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Actually, Ted Cruz is polling quite well, and donations are pouring in for any campaign he might want to mount. (You probably like polls more than I do) Same for Mike Lee. Somebody must be happy with what they're doing.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Actually, Ted Cruz is polling quite well, and donations are pouring in for any campaign he might want to mount. (You probably like polls more than I do) Same for Mike Lee. Somebody must be happy with what they're doing.

His popularity has soared with Tea Party folk, but fallen like a rock with others. Note: even with Republicans his popularity has dropped dramatically.

The poll found that Ted Cruz, one of the most prominent tea party faces in the recent government shutdown, has seen his favorability soar among tea party supporters -- from 47 percent in July to 74 percent today. Among non-tea party Republicans, however, he's at just 25 percent. House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell saw their unfavorability ratings rise among tea party and non-tea party Republicans alike, according to the poll.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/16/tea-party-poll_n_4110559.html

The partial government shutdown is finally over: President Obama signed the bill that re-open the government Wednesday night. All of the government is back to work, we have temporarily avoided default, and Senator Ted Cruz’ (R-Texas) political career is all but done. He will certainly continue to raise money from the Tea Party — but as a viable candidate for president, a power broker in Congress, and the new face of the Republican Party, Cruz is all but cooked.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/6...nking-and-poll-s-show-he-has-himself-to-blame

A national NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows Republican popularity at its lowest ebb and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz has twice as many people thinking negatively about him as liking him.
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews....z-and-gop-taking-huge-hit-from-shutdown.html/

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Good. We need to drop them country clubbers. No different than democrats. I could actually vote for a republican like Ted Cruz. I'd have to look at his foregn policy. But the fact that he tried to stop what you seem to be saying is a bad bill, despite the lies and attacks thrown at him, builds him up, in my eyes.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Good. We need to drop them country clubbers. No different than democrats. I could actually vote for a republican like Ted Cruz. I'd have to look at his foregn policy. But the fact that he tried to stop what you seem to be saying is a bad bill, despite the lies and attacks thrown at him, builds him up, in my eyes.

And he offered no constructive ideas. He appears to be simply another obstructionist with no thoughts of how to govern to help peoples lifes. It is easy to always be against. It is hard to be constructive and helpful. so far he has shown me no leadership ability.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I don't know that he offered no ideas. I hear he supports TORT reform, lifting inter-state bans on insurance purchasing....you are being pretty dishonest, just writing him off. I doubt you know anything about him, save for his party affiliation. And what you read on the huffy post. (A huffy post user making fun of FOXNews watchers is rich, to say the least)

Anyways, his name is out there, and so are the folks who rammed this awful piece of trash law down the American people's throats.

And only RINO's can ruin this chance to turn this nation around, away from the Marxists, and the sheep that support them. The republicans have a true gift, in the laughable zero-care rollout.

Here's where you tell me I don't know what Marxism is.

 

[Revmitchell]

Liberals have been crying for years that anyone who opposes them have no ideas. This is false as it has always been. Either they are playing dumb or just are.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I don't know that he offered no ideas. I hear he supports TORT reform,

What are his proposals on tort reform?

lifting inter-state bans on insurance purchasing

What are his stated ideas on this, other than the is in favor of change?

....you are being pretty dishonest, just writing him off. I doubt you know anything about him, save for his party affiliation. And what you read on the huffy post. (A huffy post user making fun of FOXNews watchers is rich, to say the least)

I've been watching him since he was elected in Texas. I have not seen any real leadership qualities. I have seen obstructionist qualities ... but nothing really constructive from him yet.

Anyways, his name is out there, and so are the folks who rammed this awful piece of trash law down the American people's throats.

He should have come up with proposals to improve healthcare for all, not simply oppose healthcare for many. That would have been leadership.

Yes, his name is out there, but even the business community is not particularly enamored with him.

U.S. Chamber of Commerce president Tom Donahue said something Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, could work on was learning how to 'sit down and shut up' after the firebrand conservative led a Republican effort to defund President Barack Obama's signature health care law resulting in a 16-day federal government shutdown and near credit default.


"He has his right as a member of the Senate to get out and push the things he supports or resist the things he doesn't support and we're going to try to work with him wherever we can," Donahue said during an event hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

A reporter said, "people are assuming that the business community would kind of like him to sit down and shut up," Donahue replied, "Well, that might be one thing we could work on."

Donahue said while the Affordable Care Act is deeply flawed, the chamber supports its aims at lowering health care costs and providing access to affordable health insurance. And he said Cruz and other Republicans, should focus more on getting results rather than political grandstanding.

"I sort of think about him as a tennis player. You know if you are going to rush the net all the time you better have a lot of motion to the left and the right and he hasn't proved that to me yet," he said. "Remember the issue – it's not the substance, it's what is the result?"

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/10/21/chamber-prez-to-ted-cruz-sit-down-and-shut-up

Donahue enforces what I said about Cruz, he has shown no real leadership qualities yet.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

When you say he "opposed health care for the many" I know you have no intentions of being honest in this debate. I simply won't indulge such a fantasy. I've learned you don't like facts. Have a nice day.