the one which began in 1947 methinks.
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Make believe Eschatology
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the one which began in 1947 methinks.
It DID happen. You need to get off that. Just because it's a realm not of this world, a Spirit covenant that can't be seen with the natural eye or touched with the physical hand and you refuse to accept that doesn't mean Christ's words didn't come true. Let Christ be true and every man a liar.
You can jump in anytime as your posts are solid.
it happened then just as Jesus said.
Lodic
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Christians have been saying "we see prophecy unfolding before our eyes" ever since Israel became a nation again in 1948. This is simply not true, as the Olivet Discourse prophecies are long since fulfilled. Jesus wasn't talking about the READER of the Olivet Discourse narrative, but the READER of Daniel's prophecy. Daniel's prophecies were fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
Your prayer was answered long ago when the Holy Spirit revealed how to distinguish symbolic prophecy language from literal language. It's quite easy, if you get past man's interpretations and let the Spirit guide you.
Lodic
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I really appreciate how civil you are as we discuss our different views. Too many of our brothers and sisters in Christ can get pretty ugly over different viewpoints. My views are just that - my views. My wife has assured me that I can be (and often have been) wrong. Regarding failing to crucify the flesh, guilty as well. BTW, I agree with you regarding the 2020 NASB. I'll stick with my NASB 95 and NKJV.
Thank you for the Daniel 7:20 reference. The reference to Trump was funny. Daniel 7 is entirely a prophetic vision that God gave Daniel, of course. Beginning in verse 15, the angel interprets the vision of the 4 beasts. The ram is the Medo-Persian empire, the goat is Greece (Alexander the Great), and the horns represent 4 of Alexander's generals who came after him. The 4th kingdom (v. 23) is larger in the sense that it is more powerful. This points to the Roman empire.
Interesting thought, and I did not know that information regarding Lapid. I believe the "desire of women" was the Messiah, whom every Jewish woman wished to give birth to. Daniel 11:36-45 possibly points to Herod the Great, who tried to have the infant Jesus killed.
Excellent point, Brother. I believe the firm covenant was fulfilled at the Last Supper, and Jesus allowed Himself to be crucified in the middle of the "week" which initiated an end of the old covenant. This didn't happen immediately, but "on the wing of abominations", when the Romans destroyed the Temple. (BTW, I've also read that Titus tried to stop this destruction, but the army wanted the gold. History sure is interesting.)
Regarding Revelation 17, I believe the great harlot was Apostate Israel. This could turn into another discussion all by itself, but I won't go into that right now. One thing for sure - Whether your view is correct, or my view is correct, our "marching orders" remain the same - carry out the Great Commission to make disciples of Christ.
Lodic
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Different context. In 1 Corinthians, this passage clearly indicates all believers will be changed. However, not all believers would see the events described in the Olivet Discourse. Only those who were alive when those events came to pass saw it.
I have a whole bookshelf full of encyclopediae & other works of history that preve differently.
Jesus never even hinted those will be spiritual events. He was speaking of this world, the same one He & His disciples were then in. And those events have simply NOT yet occurred. Betcha can't prove otherwise! If you could, all the pther preterists would elect you King!
**PROOF**, please???????????????????????????
That's because it's TRUE.
No, only a few of them are.
I believe differently, but if one understands Daniel's prophecy, one sees that the AOD he mentioned was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes in the 160s BC. And Jesus was, of course, referring to a similar future event, which didn't occur in the old temple before it was destroyed, & thus is still future.
I don't believe it was the HOLY SPIRIT who guided you into false beliefs. There are many spirits, & not all are good ones. it's very-obvious the beast hasn't yet come, nor has the great trib, and certainly not Jesus' physical, visible, glorious return, which will be seen by ALL. The evidence of reality is all against the pret view.
I suggest you pray for the REAL Holy Spirit to break your habit of reducing clearly-literal Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status to make them fit some preterist hooey.
Mt.26:64
Jesus saith unto him, thou hast said nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the Clouds Of Heaven.
Jesus describes His ascension from Dan.7:13,sitting on the right hand of power.
He ascended in Acts1 in the clouds.
Dan7 describes the Heavenly view of it.
They knew that described the Messiah so they proceeded to crucify Him.
When those who pierced Him saw the destruction of Jerusalem in their lifetime.they understood mt.24 was fulfilled just as He said it.Rev.1:7
These are truths that you post against.
...wrong...
He plainly stated that His kingdom is not of this world and that it would come 'without observation'. It can neither be seen with the mortal eye nor touched with the physical hand.
...oh, the redundancy of it all...
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Not sure what information is not provided. I gave the starting point of the 70 Weeks with both Scriptural backing and historical confirmation.
Lodic
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You say "only a few", I say "all", then you say "only a few", and I say "all" ad infinitum.
While Antiochus IV Epiphanes was a shadow of the AOD, Daniel's prophecy pointed to the actual Abomination of Desolation of AD 70.
Agreed, there are many spirits that deceive many Christians. Unfortunately, many follow man-made doctrines and buy into the idea that prophecies that were fulfilled in AD 70 are still unfulfilled events. This is the same mistake that present day Jews make when they are still looking for the Messiah to come when He came 2,000 years ago. The evidence of reality is supported by the Preterist view.
Lodic
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Thank you, that looks like a good read. I've just added it to my Amazon Wish List. (Maybe my wife will take the hint.)
To begin with, the phrase is "tribes of the land", not "Earth". This has a specific reference to the land of Judea.
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