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"Make your calling and election sure"....Huh?

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utilyan

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Upheld in sense all have physical life, but ONLY saved have spiriual life!

Even the Devil is a spirit. Jesus is God and sustainer of all things seen and unseen.

You have to back up what you say with scripture.


Colossians 1

16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
 

Samuels

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Jesus is God and sustainer of all things seen and unseen.
Colossians 1
16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
You didn't quote anything about Him sustaining (now).
Wanna know how He keeps things going in perfect balance?
Or do you think you know everything already?
 

utilyan

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You didn't quote anything about Him sustaining (now).
Wanna know how He keeps things going in perfect balance?
Or do you think you know everything already?

17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Yes I want to know how.

And yes I know everything and am currently experimenting knowing what its like not to know. :Laugh
 

Samuels

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17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
Yes I want to know how.
And yes I know everything and am currently experimenting knowing what its like not to know. :Laugh
Hey, another thing we have in common: a sense of humor.

Super quick, to see where you're at ...
An atom has a central nucleus with one or more electrons whirling around it.
Relatively speaking, there is an incredible distance between the nucleus and electron(s).
The force of attraction between electron(s) and nucleus is perfectly balanced
with the speed of the electron(s).
If Jesus says, "all electrons speed up", they fly off and we have nothing but space.
If Jesus says, "all electrons slow down", they collapse into the nucleus & we have nothing but space.
Either way, everything's gone (including us) ... just empty space!
 

MennoSota

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utilyan

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Romans 9

25As He says also in Hosea,
“I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, ‘MY PEOPLE,’
AND HER WHO WAS NOT BELOVED, ‘BELOVED.’”
26“AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, ‘YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,’
THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD.”


Can't be Calvinist because they always been called his people from the foundation of creation.


 

Yeshua1

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Even the Devil is a spirit. Jesus is God and sustainer of all things seen and unseen.

You have to back up what you say with scripture.


Colossians 1

16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
God does not grant eternal life to all sinnrs, just to those whom He saved in Christ, correct?
 

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Think that IF one held to real free will, and saw tha as bsi to getting saved, our deciion saved me, no election as God determing my salvtion, then they would see it as salvation against my will, as thy see us having no say in the matter!
They may. But them saying it does not make it so. The argument against such a salvation is absurd as it is arguing against the wind.
 

utilyan

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God does not grant eternal life to all sinnrs, just to those whom He saved in Christ, correct?

2 peter 2

1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.



Jesus Christ paid for them at the cross, They still deny him and are still brought to destruction.

Scripture speaks straight forward I don't have to take backward meanings.

Yeshua you don't read the bible, "doctrines of grace" reads the bible.

Start reading the bible.
 

utilyan

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God does not grant eternal life to all sinnrs, just to those whom He saved in Christ, correct?

Here is scripture saying exact opposite.

John 5

25“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
 

Yeshua1

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Here is scripture saying exact opposite.

John 5

25“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
Jesus qualified that to be those who are His own, correct?
 

Yeshua1

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2 peter 2

1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.



Jesus Christ paid for them at the cross, They still deny him and are still brought to destruction.

Scripture speaks straight forward I don't have to take backward meanings.

Yeshua you don't read the bible, "doctrines of grace" reads the bible.

Start reading the bible.
That is where the doctrines of Grace came all from, unlike say RCC ones!
 

utilyan

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Jesus qualified that to be those who are His own, correct?

I love how your question is getting smaller and smaller.



The holy bible:

1 john 2

2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Calvinist bible

1 John 2
2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and ours only.
 

utilyan

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That is where the doctrines of Grace came all from, unlike say RCC ones!


The holy bible is a catholic book. Doctrines of Grace is a manmade tradition made up 500 years ago.

It is not holy scripture it is false.
 

utilyan

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2 peter 2

1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

These guys couldn't possibly make any damnable heresies since one's safety is God's discretion. They also couldn't be denying the lord bought them, because under Calvinist theology he did not buy them.
 

Yeshua1

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I love how your question is getting smaller and smaller.



The holy bible:

1 john 2

2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Calvinist bible

1 John 2
2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and ours only.
His death purchased back some, not all sinners, was a definite salvation, not a potential one!
 
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