Marian Apparitions

[Zenas]

Prior to that conception God the Son WAS NOT MAN but was God. Upon that conception God the Son "BECAME" flesh and dwelt among us.

And that is the point. The Word BECAME flesh. Scripture does not say, "The Word entered a body." Mary was the mother of Jesus in totality, not just the mother of His body. Therefore, she is the Mother of God.

 

[mandym]

Therefore, she is the Mother of God.

Quite the tricky phrase that can lead to all kinds of heresy. It is a mistaken phrase that should be clarified and not just left to stand on its own.

 

[The Biblicist]

And that is the point. The Word BECAME flesh. Scripture does not say, "The Word entered a body." Mary was the mother of Jesus in totality, not just the mother of His body. Therefore, she is the Mother of God.

The scripture does say He "TOOK UPON HIMSELF" rather than deity was conceived or deity "became" flesh. It does say he TABERNACLED in the flesh rather than Deity was conceived flesh. It does say "a body that hast PREPARED FOR me" rather than deity was conceived.

Flesh can only beget flesh and that is your problem with Mary the "mother of God" - flesh cannot beget diety.

The fact that the Eternal Word "became" flesh denies deity was conceived in Mary.

 

[convicted1]

Did Biblicist just put the Bible above Jesus?

Is there such a thing as Bible idolatry?

I don't think The Biblicist stated it this way, but merely stated that a Triune God uses the bible to show Himself to us, through His written Word.

 

[Alive in Christ]

I certainly believe that these people, such as the children over in France, and the woman in Long Island, did indeed have a visitation. I certainly dont think they just made it up.

The problem of course is that they did not see the Mary of the scriptures.

What they witnessed was a demonic manifstation.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Why do we argue Catholicism on a Baptist board? I get tired of this.

I grew up with Catholicism. I lived through it. I have dear friends who are staunch Roman Catholics. I live in a culture that is mostly Roman Catholic - and much of that is becoming Hispanic Roman Catholic. What is done with the Mary apparitions is worship. It distracts people from God and is evil. I will not argue with it. I will not discuss it. It is wrong. End of story.

I encourage you to look into how the RCC uses Marian Appartitions, in poor countries, to rip people off. Look up the Virgin of Guadalupe. A Bascillica built for a doll. People wait in line & pay to pray to her. All done by the RCC.

 

[DaChaser1]

A number of these visions of the Virgin Mary have been reported, although only a few of these have been declared by the Catholic Church as "worthy of belief." The three best known are (1) the appearance at Guadalupe, Mexico in 1531 to the Indian peasant Juan Diego; (2) the appearance at Lourdes, France in 1858 to Bernadette Soubirous; (3) the appearance at Fatima, Portugal in 1917 to three peasant children.

Of the three, Fatima was the best documented because it was witnessed by an estimated crowd of 70,000. At Fatima, the lady appeared to the children on May 13, 1917, and again on the 13th day of each month until October 13th. Word of the appearances had gotten out and a larger crowd had come each month. The lady had promised a miracle on October 13. On that day it was raining hard but nevertheless a crowd of some 70,000 had gathered. What they saw was the clouds open, followed by abnormal movements of the sun. After some 10 minutes, the sun stopped moving but the ground and the people's clothing were dry. For a detailed account, see here: http://www.theotokos.org.uk/pages/approved/appariti/fatima.html

I know most people here are skeptical of this kind of thing and I have doubts myself. However, I have spent a great deal of time studying the history of the Fatima apparitions and it is not possible to just dismiss them as not happening.

So what say you?

Its either natural events that people "imaged" was mary
Group hysteria

satanic messenger

NOT of God!

 

[Alive in Christ]

From the link in post 42 of this thread...

the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . .

Along with the mother of God blasphamy, this statement actually encourages these poor lost catholics to deify the sinner saved by grace Mary.

The scriptures are extremely clear that Almighty God..the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit..and He alone, is who we should turn to for ANY and ALL of are protection, needs and protection from dangers

The hellish blaphemies and idolatries and goddess worship flow constantly from the false church of Rome.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Matt...

you posted to Biblicist...

Then you deny the Godhead of Jesus, pure and simple.

Completly and totally false.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Ann posted...

Why do we argue Catholicism on a Baptist board? I get tired of this.

Ann....

This is the other denominations board. :thumbs:

 

[annsni]

I encourage you to look into how the RCC uses Marian Appartitions, in poor countries, to rip people off. Look up the Virgin of Guadalupe. A Bascillica built for a doll. People wait in line & pay to pray to her. All done by the RCC.

Trust me - I know.

 

[annsni]

From the link in post 42 of this thread...




Along with the mother of God blasphamy, this statement actually encourages these poor lost catholics to deify the sinner saved by grace Mary.

The scriptures are extremely clear that Almighty God..the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit..and He alone, is who we should turn to for ANY and ALL of are protection, needs and protection from dangers

The hellish blaphemies and idolatries and goddess worship flow constantly from the false church of Rome.

That was a downright scary quote!!

 

[annsni]

Ann posted...



Ann....

This is the other denominations board. :thumbs:

Catholicism is not an other denomination, IMO. There was a time (I do not know if it is still in effect) that you could not be a member of this board if you were Catholic and the Catholic dogmas could not be taught on this board.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Here is the quote that did not show up in Annsni's post...

the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . .

 

[Alive in Christ]

Ann..

Oh, I agree that it should not be considerd a legitmate christian denom, but this board is the one where catholicism fits the best.

 

[preacher4truth]

Here is the quote that did not show up in Annsni's post...

Those looking for signs generally will get one. I don't believe for a second that the sign in this OP was allowed by God Himself.

 

[The Biblicist]

A number of these visions of the Virgin Mary have been reported, although only a few of these have been declared by the Catholic Church as "worthy of belief." The three best known are (1) the appearance at Guadalupe, Mexico in 1531 to the Indian peasant Juan Diego; (2) the appearance at Lourdes, France in 1858 to Bernadette Soubirous; (3) the appearance at Fatima, Portugal in 1917 to three peasant children.

Of the three, Fatima was the best documented because it was witnessed by an estimated crowd of 70,000. At Fatima, the lady appeared to the children on May 13, 1917, and again on the 13th day of each month until October 13th. Word of the appearances had gotten out and a larger crowd had come each month. The lady had promised a miracle on October 13. On that day it was raining hard but nevertheless a crowd of some 70,000 had gathered. What they saw was the clouds open, followed by abnormal movements of the sun. After some 10 minutes, the sun stopped moving but the ground and the people's clothing were dry. For a detailed account, see here: http://www.theotokos.org.uk/pages/approved/appariti/fatima.html

I know most people here are skeptical of this kind of thing and I have doubts myself. However, I have spent a great deal of time studying the history of the Fatima apparitions and it is not possible to just dismiss them as not happening.

So what say you?

During World War I Pope Benedict XV made repeated but forlorn pleas for peace, and finally, in May 1917, made a direct appeal to Mary to intercede for peace in the world. The response was Mary's first appearance at Fatima just over a week later.

Take note that Fatima was the direct response to the Pope's direct appeal to Mary to intercede for peace in the world.

Here is the god of the Roman Catholic Church! She is the Queen of Heaven referred to by Jeremiah and the Madonna of Roman paganism. Pope John Paul when shot cried out to his god - "Mary" so Pope Benedict XV cried out to his god.

The Lord God of Heaven would NEVER affirm/confirm such out right worship of the Queen of Heaven by what happened at Fatima. This is Lucifer responding to His Great Harlot girlfriend.

 

[The Biblicist]

During World War I Pope Benedict XV made repeated but forlorn pleas for peace, and finally, in May 1917, made a direct appeal to Mary to intercede for peace in the world. The response was Mary's first appearance at Fatima just over a week later.

Take note that Fatima was the direct response to the Pope's direct appeal to Mary to intercede for peace in the world.

Here is the god of the Roman Catholic Church! She is the Queen of Heaven referred to by Jeremiah and the Madonna of Roman paganism. Pope John Paul when shot cried out to his god - "Mary" so Pope Benedict XV cried out to his god.

The Lord God of Heaven would NEVER affirm/confirm such out right worship of the Queen of Heaven by what happened at Fatima. This is Lucifer responding to His Great Harlot girlfriend.

Below is a picture of a Roman coin dating back to AD 71 during the reign of Vespasian (69-79 A.D.) depicting Rome as a woman sitting on seven hills — something the early Christians would have been very familiar with. Surely they would have recognized the prostitute seated on seven hills as representing Rome in Romans 17:18.



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4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:.....18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Even more interesting is the fact that later under one of the Ancient Pope's of Rome there is also coinage made with the pope on one side and a woman with a cup on the other side - Again Rome under the Roman Catholic Church symbolized by a woman with a cup in hand.

 

[WestminsterMan]

snip...

Likewise Roman Catholicism. The Holy Spirit is not going to confirm RCC or their doctrine of mary to anyone.

Unless of course, you are wrong and they are right.

WM

 

[The Biblicist]

Unless of course, you are wrong and they are right.

WM

Not a chance! This demon told the children that in order to be saved people must say the Rosary! Where do you find that gospel in the Bible?