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Yes, they do. You are not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you...

Like you, @church mouse guy simply could not accept a person would see the GOP and DNC as worldly except that person be a Democrat. That was his "case" against me...problem is, it was a lie. I have been a Republican but never a Democrat. I never leaned that way. My values are the same, I just do not express them through the GOP.

If you want to know why, read posts from @Aaron , @church mouse guy , and your posts. They are dishonest. They assume I lean Democrat or like Biden because I have decided to follow my conscious and refrain from voting in political elections.

I am probably more conservative than you (at least, you are no more conservative than I). I just do not affiliate with a political party any more.

I believe you feel I am a target for that (you can lie about me because your thugs will back you up and I have no party disciples). But it is no less a lie.

That is something you all need to consider. You think lying about me some how supports your position, bit it does not. It makes you look weak and pathetic.

But to my knowledge he never posted "one trick pony" (at least not in our interactions).

 

Lying about a moderator (or any other member) should be grounds for dismissal (at least temporarily), but to my knowledge he was not banned. He kept calling me a Democrat and I told him if I called him gay that would not make him gay (which set him to troll me every time I posted).

You may have a dry sense of humor, but I was not being funny. You had to be involved when he posted to "get it".

I do not know why he left. He was trolling (that is not even debatable). He lied about me (kept repeating that I was a Democrat, either via delusion or purposefully, because while I hold the sane values as the GOP platform I decided not to vote (as a matter of concious).

Saying I am fond of Biden, am liberal, am a Democrat, lean towards the DNC...those are lies. You are guilty of feeding into that as well.

I did not win because I really do not care. We hold the same political views with the exception that I have decided to abstain from voting.

 

@Wingman68 ,

I will be very clear (I will tell you what I told Mouse).

Why don't you answer (so we can be crystal clear about where both of us stand):

I have always voted Republican (down the ticket because I will NEVER vote for a Democrat). I was a Republican. I voted for Trump both times. As I said, Trump is the best President we have had in my adult life (I am 52). I believe his platform was correct.

But I also agree with Trump that, although there was serious fraud in the election, Biden is now our President. I never favored Biden, I think he should have never run, and his platform is evil.

I have wrestled with the conviction that I should abstain from voting. I should have a decade ago but was too politically involved. Going forward I cannot with good concious vote as I do not believe secular politics the Christian answer

That said, I am glad other Christians can serve in office. I do not judge others for voting, but for me it would be sinful (I am the "weaker brother" here, but do not think those who vote are disobedient).

Now, you agreed with Mouse that this means I am a Democrat.

Defend that claim.

 

The onus is on you.

You were a part of Mouse's comments that I am a "secret democrat" as well as his trolling me by referring to me as Biden.

I have not changed my position.

I did not stutter.

Politically I supported Trump (it was after this election that I declared my decision not to vote).

If you are instead calling @church mouse guy a liar, then be clear. You can't have it both ways.

Are you a conservative (you insulted me....so by your standard I guess you are liberal).

No mind games at all. I was VERY CLEAR where I stood and stand.

I hold the political values of the GOP, but have determined to abstain from voting as I believe those values are best expressed through the Church (the moral issues are also Christian, but I also agree with the GOP economic platform, foreign policy, etc.)..

Why can you not be clear?

 

This is a fact. Trump acknowledged Biden as President, even while complaining about rampant fraud by the DNC. I agree with Trump. NO SLANT. You all say I am a secret Democrat for recognizing Biden as our President....BUT SO DIS TRUMP!

This is insulting and flaming (why would I delete his posts???). You are implying I would delete posts to hide what others have said for my own purposes (which is false).

I never called myself the greatest conservative. I said you are no more conservative than I. In terms of political belief there is probably no difference between you and I except I have decided to abstain from voting.

 

Partly true. I called Mouse Corn Pop when he called me Biden. I did say Mouse lied (Aaron fid as well).

And you lied. Mouse posted "one horse pony" because I told him that was referring to members as senike like Biden (a Biden gaffe). It was edited to one horse pony. But then Mouse started trolling all of my posts

And you were a part of those calling members who disagreed with you "Democrats", knowing we were against their positions.

How would you like it if a member started trolling you, calling you pro-abortion, or pro-DNC, or secret DNC????

I bet you would not like it at all because that would be lying. Yet you believe I am a fair target because I am a moderator??? That if I edit or warn I am abusing my position, but if I respond to the lies I am also abusing my position??? That I just have to let lies stand because I am on staff?????

Grow up man. You would not let it stand if I called you Biden, a Democrat, etc. so stop acting shocked and offended I also object.

 

GOOD .

I am not done but I appreciate your silence as I continue the discussion without you.


The issue centers on a few disagreements.

1. I believe that Trump was not responsible for the January riots, but I do believe as President he could have handled the day better.

2. While I believe there was fraud in the election, to the extent it is reasonable to suspect the election was stolen (not enough info to be a fact), I also believe that Biden is our President.

3. Given our current election system, Biden is our legal President.

4. Although I share the same values as Republicans (the GOP platform) I have decided I would no longer vote in secular elections. I believe we are called to exhibit Christan values differently.

That is it. That is why @church mouse guy , @Wingman68 , @Aaron , @SGO have concluded that I am a liberal Democrat.

NOT because of what I Stan for, NOT because of any stated position, NOT for what I have opposed. But for my positions stated above.

And then @Wingman68 declares I should not be on staff because I refused to remain silent against these false claims. @SGO has a problem that I decided not to vote. @Aaron is mad that his avatar which violated BB rules was removed and that I said Biden is the POTUS.

I do not mind people disagreeing with me. BUT BE HONEST.

All this distraction has been a few people saying I really hold positions I have always rejected. And that is wrong, plain and simple.

I enjoy discussing differences. I do not enjoy suffering fools. Have I insulted anyone? Yes, but in kind and no more than has been allowed on the political forum. @church mouse guy called me Biden and I called him Corn Pop. (Largely tongue in cheek). And I called those who lied liars (Websters agreed).

@Wingman68 complains but I doubt he would enjoy someone trolling him calling him a Democrat at every turn.

And their actions have proved my point. If it were not politics, would @Wingman68 or @Aaron have forfeited their character to try to "smear" an opponent? I doubt it.

But because it is politics they have justified their accusations by saying "it was not verbatim", or "you said this but meant that", or "actions speak louder than words" (as if I have ever taken action in support of the DNC). Politics have destroyed these guys (at least their voice as Christian in the political section as they are just Republicans).

 

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I know. That is my point. We all know I edited or removed inappropriate anti-Trump posts (Robust Theologian was probably the biggest recent offender on that side).

But yes, we all know anti-Trump posts were removed (we all were here and we are not idiots).

As far as I know there are very few Democrats on the board and none on the staff. This is just from values they have expressed. If there are any then they have not allowed their views to affect their actions. But I do not think there are any on staff.

The problem is many Christian Republicans forget this is a Christian board (even the political section). They applaud when Staff edits inappropriate posts from Democrats but when they are guilty all of a sudden the workd us against them and everyone is a liberal Democrat. It is stupid, but true.

But Democrats here are much more Christian in their reaction. I guess because they are a minority (I only know of two ..and I am not sure about one of them). Republicans seem to try to justify their actions.