Maricopa County Heating Up

[JonC]

More gaslighting, but I can't be gaslighted (Or is it gas-lit?) I do have gas quite frequently though. It's one of those things about diet and getting older.

You never levelled the unamerican slander until it was against a conservative Christian for trifles. And there can be few reasons for the copious "Dems-are-bad-but-the-Republicans-are-worse" posts. And I've listed them. This is my last word in this instance.

I never cared (had to care) before I was a moderator. A few members complained about Trump, but I did not see any saying Trump was not President. Those few who acted inappropriate were corrected. Posts were removed or edited that were disrespectful to the POTUS.

But they (the Trump haters) were not as belligerent as those here now. There were only a few. The Staff corrected them and for the most partbthey toned down the propaganda. One did not, but he is no longer here.

I never said Democrats are bad but Republicans are worse. This is a false accusation you have projected on me.

I said the Democrat Party is worse for the nation (their platform is obviously anti-Christian) but the Republican Party is more dangerous for the Church as their values align with Christian values absent the Source of our values.

This thread has proven I was correct on that part. You saw my withdrawal from the GOP as a justification to slander me, to make false accusations about where I lend my support based on where I do not.

 

[JonC]

*sigh* The avatar thing was over with my response to your PM.

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Yes, I removed your avatar. I said I did. It was inappropriate and in violation of BB rules (made clear on the politics forum).

I did the same with another member who had inappropriate anti-Trump avatars. He just put another up and went about his business.

You whine like a little child having a temper tantrum.

 

[JonC]

K. Says the one equalizing the RNC and DNC.

I have never equalized the DNC and GOP. I said they are the same (in the context that both are secular looking for their own power....opposite sides of the same coin.....opposite platforms and outward agendas but the same internal goals of political power...neither expresses the gospel of Christ).
Thus is what I mean. You and I disagree so you believe you are justified in stretching and trusting my views to incorporate what I do not believe.

That is wrong. It is sinful. We cannot act like Satan in politics and like Christ in Church. You seem to think religion belongs in the congregation only, while in the workd you are free to sin. But we cannot separate Christ from us when in the public realm and put Him on again for worship.

 

[JonC]

Do you believe in the honest side (if he has one) of his heart Mr. Trump believes, Mr. Biden is president?

That Biden is President? Yes. I believe Trump speaks his mind. That Biden rightfully won the Presidency? No. And I agree with Trump on both accounts.

 

[JonC]

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I do not trust the PM on and off. But this may help you (you may decide to use this feature).

There is a setting in privacy where you can allow only those you follow to pm you. If there is a brother you respect or believe can offer insightful dialogue then follow him. He can now pm you. As you interact, if he proves himself less than who you believed him to be, simply stop following him and he will not be able to pm you.

I am more selective with pm's than engaging people on the forum. If someone I do not follow wants to communicate about a topic, he or she can on the open forum. If it is a board issue, they can communicate via the Report function.

I view pm's as invitations to personal conversations. That is not for the masses but for friends - for those I would invite over for coffee just to chat.

 

[percho]

That Biden is President? Yes. I believe Trump speaks his mind. That Biden rightfully won the Presidency? No. And I agree with Trump on both accounts.

How do you use the word, rightly, there when I think you have posted you believe there was fraud during the election. I understand there has not been enough evidence presented to those to who could change the outcome of the election but do you believe that is because there wasn't evidence or because it wasn't allowed to be presented.

Do you believe the supreme court of the USA is just as corrupt as the election system itself? Consider we live in a country where we are told that is 1620 people came here from Europe to freely worship their God and then when the founding Fathers came along with ( he First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition.)

That supreme court just on a case from the state of California In favor of freedom to assembly 5 to 4 with the Chief Justice being one of the 4.

With that first amendment being there from the beginning should the vote have been 9 - 0.


Maybe we should add more idiots to the Supreme Court

6 - 7 would have been a great vote.

 

[Aaron]

Yes, I removed your avatar. I said I did. It was inappropriate and in violation of BB rules (made clear on the politics forum).

I did the same with another member who had inappropriate anti-Trump avatars. He just put another up and went about his business.

You whine like a little child having a temper tantrum.

I've said nothing about it except in response to your bringing up all the time.

 

[JonC]

How do you use the word, rightly, there when I think you have posted you believe there was fraud during the election. I understand there has not been enough evidence presented to those to who could change the outcome of the election but do you believe that is because there wasn't evidence or because it wasn't allowed to be presented.

Do you believe the supreme court of the USA is just as corrupt as the election system itself? Consider we live in a country where we are told that is 1620 people came here from Europe to freely worship their God and then when the founding Fathers came along with ( he First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition.)

That supreme court just on a case from the state of California In favor of freedom to assembly 5 to 4 with the Chief Justice being one of the 4.

With that first amendment being there from the beginning should the vote have been 9 - 0.


Maybe we should add more idiots to the Supreme Court

6 - 7 would have been a great vote.

Because he met the qualifications to be the rightful President (elector certificates and certification by Congress). If there was a Superime Court reversal then he would not only not be the rightful President but he would not be President.

 

[JonC]

I've said nothing about it except in response to your bringing up all the time.

Sure kid.

 

[Revmitchell]

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I know. That is my point. We all know I edited or removed inappropriate anti-Trump posts (Robust Theologian was probably the biggest recent offender on that side).

But yes, we all know anti-Trump posts were removed (we all were here and we are not idiots).

As far as I know there are very few Democrats on the board and none on the staff. This is just from values they have expressed. If there are any then they have not allowed their views to affect their actions. But I do not think there are any on staff.

The problem is many Christian Republicans forget this is a Christian board (even the political section). They applaud when Staff edits inappropriate posts from Democrats but when they are guilty all of a sudden the workd us against them and everyone is a liberal Democrat. It is stupid, but true.

But Democrats here are much more Christian in their reaction. I guess because they are a minority (I only know of two ..and I am not sure about one of them). Republicans seem to try to justify their actions.

Show me the post from the beginning of the Trump admin that declared there would be no disrespect to Trump allowed

 

[JonC]

Show me the post from the beginning of the Trump admin that declared there would be no disrespect to Trump allowed

What? Are you serious???

No. That is petty. The BB rules are that members will not post disrespectfully towards a President (I assume a sitting President?) or a person shortly after they have died.

I do not care about how you perceived the rules when those in violation were political opponents. We both know (we all know) that Democrat posts belittling Trump were edited or deleted (again, you saw this with Robust Theologian as you were involved in a couple of those threads - do you have NO excuse).

In fact, looking at old reports, several that were addressed were posts YOU reported!!!

I doubt more than correction was needed because we only had a couple of violators. It is different with many Trump disciples. Where people like Robust Theologian were corrected and moved on many who supported Trump are like Hillary Clinton...they simply cannot move on.

I think you are forgetting that this is a Christian board, not an arm of the GOP.

 

[SGO]

I do not trust the PM on and off. But this may help you (you may decide to use this feature).

There is a setting in privacy where you can allow only those you follow to pm you. If there is a brother you respect or believe can offer insightful dialogue then follow him. He can now pm you. As you interact, if he proves himself less than who you believed him to be, simply stop following him and he will not be able to pm you.

I am more selective with pm's than engaging people on the forum. If someone I do not follow wants to communicate about a topic, he or she can on the open forum. If it is a board issue, they can communicate via the Report function.

I view pm's as invitations to personal conversations. That is not for the masses but for friends - for those I would invite over for coffee just to chat.

Thanks for the explanation but I don't really understand it.
PM should be open for private, non disclosable discussion to any forum member, not just friends.
I have sent a number of them to various forum members who chose not to respond.
I got the message without their having to write one.

I wanted to tell you off privately so for you (and me) it's good I could not reach you.

I still think you are wrong about a lot of things including your treatment of me but I am not an innocent in this matter.
Lately there have been scriptures presented to me about being judgmental so for now I'm trying to let it go.

I can come for coughy.

 

[JonC]

@Revmitchell , @JonC will never admit that he is biased and weighted against conservatives, and is not evenhanded in his "enforcement of the rules" even when the evidence is posted in an unmistakable manner.

He will provide ample opportunities to be corrected in the future.

@Aaron is delusional.

@Revmitchell ,

The problem I have is that I am a Republican and very much in favor of Trump. I believe the greatest thing he did may have been highlighting the false conservatives within the GOP while exposing the DNC (that they are never interested in our nation, but only in their agenda).

Just because I have decided that I will not vote does not change my political leanings.

I hope you can understand that. And I hope you are able to understand why I get aggravated when people like @Aaron lie about my positions just because we disagree on voting.

I do not prescribe my views on others, I do not judge others for voting or being involved in politics (I was no less a Christian when I was active in the GOP). BUT I have to be faithful to live as I am convicted to live (otherwise it is a sin). And I will defend the reasons for my position just as I hope others will theirs.

But my abstaining from voting does not make me have Democrat leanings. @Aaron just uses that as a type of ad hominem insult because we hold the same political leanings but I abstain from voting.

 

[JonC]

Thanks for the explanation but I don't really understand it.
PM should be open for private, non disclosable discussion to any forum member, not just friends.
I have sent a number of them to various forum members who chose not to respond.
I got the message without their having to write one.

I wanted to tell you off privately so for you (and me) it's good I could not reach you.

I still think you are wrong about a lot of things including your treatment of me but I am not an innocent in this matter.
Lately there have been scriptures presented to me about being judgmental so for now I'm trying to let it go.

I can come for coughy.

No, it is up to the individual. That is why all members have that option.

Long ago I left it open for anyone to PM me. But I found some just carried on or started attacking via pm. So I made the decision to reserve personal messages for ersonal conversations (with people I believe that I could have a meaningful relationship with) and leave the rest for the open forum.

When I had Facebook it was the same way. I did not just allow anyone to view my info, and I did not accept friend requests from people I did not know.

Since every member can communicate with me on the open forum, or in my role as a moderator, I see no need to allow everyone into a more private discussion.

Most of those I have followed disagree with me, but I respect them as mature brothers in Christ. Some members are not on the list simply because I have not had the chance to add them, but will when we engage in the forum. If they prove themselves to have an agenda, or if I have misjudged their character, then I will drop them from the list.

I am not a big pm'er anyway. And with some members I have found it best to keep things on the public forum or in reports (where all the staff can see).

But in the end it is a personal decision. Each member decides how - or if - they want to use private messages.

I am here to enjoy the forum and fellowship, to put my views out there and defend them, and to learn from other members. I have to entertain enough unwanted phone calls that I do not need I welcomed messages.

Edit - the exception is pm's sent by staff as notifications. But I am starting to do those as closed messages.

 

[Aaron]

While Jon the Conservative argues elsewhere that our rights flow from government and not from God, and that government act establishes truth--Heaven help the soul here that points out the Leftist leaning--something came through my newsfeed that I cannot not post here.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...ay_be_the_pebble_that_diverts_the_stream.html

I've shied away from reporting on events in Maricopa because it would require more hours than I have in a day to track intelligently the back-and-forth in that recount. My touchstone there is the fact that the Democrats' and NeverTrumps' ferocious efforts to stop the count strike me as the actions of people with something to hide. Otherwise, they'd be there helping to prove they're right. Events in a small town in New Hampshire, though, are more interesting, because a low-key audit may reveal serious election anomalies harming Republicans.

Windham, New Hampshire, a town of 14,853 people, has long been a stalwart Republican stronghold in an otherwise Democrat state. As was the case throughout New Hampshire, it relied on AccuVote machines to collect and tally its 2020 votes.

When the election in Windham ended, Kristi St. Laurent, the Democrat candidate, had lost by only 24 votes. With that close a margin, she naturally demanded a hand recount.

The hand recount revealed something peculiar: St. Laurent hadn't lost by 24 votes; she'd lost by 420 votes. In a small election, that meant that her margin of defeat wasn't 0.005% but was, instead, 9.6%, which is a significant loss.

That same recount revealed an even greater anomaly: across the board, in every Windham election, Republicans had been shortchanged, and Democrats had been overcounted:

Those kinds of numbers manifestly demanded a full recount, which is what's happening now in Windham. And as with counts and recounts elsewhere, funny things are happening — not funny-ha-ha, but funny-peculiar:​

 

[canadyjd]

Funny no one was worried about disrespecting Trump.

Well, I don’t think that is accurate. I supported Tr:mp. I received a pm asking me not to refer to the former Pres as “stable genius”, (I did so because I thought it was true) saying it was disrespectful and also to explain why I never fully spelled His name (to confound the algorithms).

I stopped the first, as requested, because I wasn’t trying to be disrespectful and didn’t want anyone to think I was.

peace to you

 

[Baptist Believer]

...but those attacking Trump here, I dont recall them saying he was not the president.

I believe you are correct.

Maybe some did at first, before I ever posted here, I dont know.

I've been here for 19 years, and I engaged in many threads mentioning Trump. I do not recall seeing anyone claim he was not the legitimate President. There were Trump supports who made that claim that those of us who opposed Trump said that, but those claims were specifically and consistently denied, and no accuser could point to a post where such a claim was made.

 

[Baptist Believer]

But Trump conceded the election and recognized Biden as the legitimate President (granted, with fraud which I agree took place).

With all due respect, Trump has not accepted the result of any election. He claimed he won in 2016 by a "landslide" and that the greater number of votes for Ms. Clinton were part of massive voter fraud that was never demonstrated, despite setting up a commission to find the fraud.

He has not conceded the 2020 election, except for moving out of the White House, and pretends to still be the legitimate President of the United States.

 

[Baptist Believer]

I think you are forgetting that this is a Christian board, not an arm of the GOP.

There are many here who seem to think that an American cannot be a Christian without being a Republican.

 

[Benjamin]

This is a fact. Trump acknowledged Biden as President, even while complaining about rampant fraud by the DNC. I agree with Trump. NO SLANT.

Trump: "Breaking News! New polling by CBS News on the state of the Republican Party (which is very strong!). “President Trump has a strong hold on the GOP.” 80% of Republicans agree with the removal of Liz Cheney from GOP Leadership and only 20% disagree. The poll also showed that 67% of Republicans said that they do not consider Sleepy Joe Biden to be the legitimate winner of the 2020 Presidential Election. I agree with them 100%, just look at the facts and the data—there is no way he won the 2020 Presidential Election!"