Marijuana

[padredurand]

Not according to my Doctor.

All i'd like is for my right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness, .

God has commanded you to pursue holiness. Part of that pursuit is to obey the laws and authority placed above you. Last I checked marijuana is illegal to use and possess in most places. Do not confuse civil disobedience with selfish indulgence.

not to be infringed because people don't agree with science

The science doesn't agree with the science. Would you be such an advocate if your doctor suggested taking THC orally?

I'm not trying to change anybody's mind on the subject, only to clarify my reasoning to my brothers in Christ.

Rationalizing and reasoning are two different things.

 

[sag38]

Try the book, The Maker's Diet. It's legal and you won't fry your brain in the process.

 

[Revmitchell]

So why does a Christian come on a Christian board and start a thread to justify doing something illegal? What purpose does that serve?

 

[Mississippi John]

So why does a Christian come on a Christian board and start a thread to justify doing something illegal? What purpose does that serve?

So if I lived in one of the 14 states that have legalized( for my condition) , it would be alright ,in your eyes ?

And for Padre : I would prefer to eat brownies , than smoke .

 

[Mississippi John]

Try the book, The Maker's Diet. It's legal and you won't fry your brain in the process.

You've seen to much propaganda. Read the Fox News article I posted. It quotes Doctors and Scientists, not government officals.

 

[Revmitchell]

So if I lived in one of the 14 states that have legalized( for my condition) , it would be alright ,in your eyes ?

And for Padre : I would prefer to eat brownies , than smoke .

Then move. That way you can do it legally. But none of that answers my question

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I would say no reputable medical expert has ever claimed marijuana has ever cured a disease.

I had chemotherapy and radiation treatments for about 3 months, in 1986. I don't care what anyone says, smoking even just a little bit of marijuana puts an almost immediate end to the nausea and cramps I had, and I say God put it on Earth for us to use. No plant or animal is off-limits to us. That ended at the Garden of Eden. In fact, TWICE is "green herb" mentioned. After the garden, and after theflood. Look it up :type: (Note to all the self-pious; I KNOW God didn't mean marijuana, specifically, but "every moving thing that liveth, even as the green herb, I have given you ALL things" means NOTHING is banned)

Marijuana has it's purpose, it is a gift from God. God will deal with those who are poor stewards of his gifts.

 

[Mississippi John]

Thank you for sharing your testimony Bro. Curtis.

"Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins" - an old Native-American proverb

 

[rbell]

"Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins" - an old Native-American proverb

"Toke-a-thon in the Fellowship hall this Friday. Snacks to follow."
-a (thankfully) recently rejected Baptist proverb

 

[Mexdeaf]

I would say no reputable medical expert has ever claimed marijuana has ever cured a disease.

I had chemotherapy and radiation treatments for about 3 months, in 1986. I don't care what anyone says, smoking even just a little bit of marijuana puts an almost immediate end to the nausea and cramps I had, and I say God put it on Earth for us to use. No plant or animal is off-limits to us. That ended at the Garden of Eden. In fact, TWICE is "green herb" mentioned. After the garden, and after theflood. Look it up :type: (Note to all the self-pious; I KNOW God didn't mean marijuana, specifically, but "every moving thing that liveth, even as the green herb, I have given you ALL things" means NOTHING is banned)

Marijuana has it's purpose, it is a gift from God. God will deal with those who are poor stewards of his gifts.

My mom had chemo (stage 3 Lymphoma) and they gave her meds- she never had the first hint of nausea or cramping. She has also been cancer-free for over a year now.

 

[Crabtownboy]

My mom had chemo (stage 3 Lymphoma) and they gave her meds- she never had the first hint of nausea or cramping. She has also been cancer-free for over a year now.

I am very happy your mom has been cancer free for over a year. I pray it never returns.

Concerning nausea and cramping, great strides have been made over the years in eliminating these side effects, and I am thankful for that also.

 

[sag38]

You've seen to much propaganda. Read the Fox News article I posted. It quotes Doctors and Scientists, not government officials.

No, my misinformed friend, I've known too many pot heads. That's evidence enough of the destructive power of pot.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

My mom had chemo (stage 3 Lymphoma) and they gave her meds- she never had the first hint of nausea or cramping. She has also been cancer-free for over a year now.

That is excellent. I have been cancer-free 23 years.

 

[Mississippi John]

You've seen to much propaganda. Read the Fox News article I posted. It quotes Doctors and Scientists, not government officials.

No, my misinformed friend, I've known too many pot heads. That's evidence enough of the destructive power of pot.

Yeah I've known potheads,who were losers...and I've known "cannabis consumers" who excel in ALL areas of their lives.

Did you ever think...Hey, maybe...those Losers smoke pot, rather than, ...Pot turned those people into losers ?

 

[sag38]

Your post reveals to us the kind of folks you evidently hang out with and look up too. Sad!!! Personally, I'd rather hang out with Godly people, who excel in Christ than pot heads, excuse me, "cannabis consumers," who excel at knowing which is better, smoking pot or eating it in a brownie

 

[padredurand]

Weed... it's natural.... Give me a break. Hemlock is natural too but I wouldn't be in a hurry to brew a pot of hemlock tea. The days of natural cannabis are long gone. Cannabis sativa and cannabis indica have long been hybridized well beyond their natural state.

What about the long-term side effects? What about the immediate effects of impaired judgment, loss of motor skills and perception? The OP cited some scientists in favor of the medical use of marijuana. How about some science that opposes it:

Short-term effects of marijuana use include a euphoric high, increased heart rate, impaired motor skills / coordination, impaired concentration, disorientation, increased appetite, and difficulty in thinking and problem solving. Long-term effects of marijuana use include some of the respiratory problems that are usually experienced by those individuals who smoke tobacco, such as emphysema. Marijuana may contain up to 50 percent more carcinogens (cancer-causing agents) than of that found in tobacco smoke. Some of the adverse effects of marijuana use include lung infections, greater risk of obstructed airways, and more frequent acute chest illnesses. Source: http://www.drugs.indiana.edu/publications/factline/marijuana.pdf

In the short term, marijuana use impairs perception, judgment, thinking, memory, and learning; memory defects may persist six weeks after last use. Mental disorders connected with marijuana use merit their own category in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) IV, published by the American Psychiatric Association. These include Cannabis Intoxication (consisting of impaired motor coordination, anxiety, impaired judgment, sensation of slowed time, social withdrawal, and often includes perceptual disturbances; Cannabis Intoxication Delirium (memory deficit, disorientation); Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder, Delusions; Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder, Hallucinations; and Cannabis Induced Anxiety Disorder. Source: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html

Heavy marijuana use impairs a person's ability to form memories, recall events and shift attention from one thing to another. THC also disrupts coordination and balance by binding to receptors in the cerebellum and basal ganglia, parts of the brain that regulate balance, posture, coordination of movement, and reaction time. Through its effects on the brain and body, marijuana intoxication can cause accidents. Studies show that approximately 6 to 11 percent of fatal accident victims test positive for THC. Source: http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/marijuana/marijuana3.html

Addicts will go to any extent to justify their behavior.

 

[rbell]

Mods, is it wise to have a thread running in which drug use is promoted?

 

[padredurand]

Mods, is it wise to have a thread running in which drug use is promoted?

rbell, I can't speak for the moderators, but I believe these are the kind of discussions we need to have on BB. I don't think this is a health and wellness topic but an important one for us to engage. Drug use is common. Some of the same folks we sit with at church are uninformed about the potential dangers. Our young folks are going to pharm parties and taking prescription drugs with no clue as to what they are taking nor the long and short term effects. Discussions about marijuana often end with something to the order of, "Thank the Lord it's only pot. Not like they're using bad drugs..." as if the use of marijuana was benign.

Christian people need to be aware of the cultural environment in which we minister. These are real people with real problems. Ignoring the topic won't make it go away. We need to discuss real facts about the full spectrum of drug use whether it be nicotine, alcohol, THC or misused prescription meds.

Romans 13:12-14
12 The night is almost gone, and the day is at hand. Let us therefore lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.
13 Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy.
14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.

I highlighted the word drunkenness because the immediate physical reaction to THC intake is classified as intoxication. The American Heritage dictionary defines intoxication as, "Stupefaction or excitement by the action of a chemical substance." That chemical substance is not limited to alcohol. In this context drunkenness (along with promiscuity, sensuality, strife, jealousy and the lusts of the flesh) is a deed of the dark and the antithesis of the armor of light.

The choice is clear. You can either choose Jesus Christ or cannabis sativa but you cannot have both.

 

[rbell]

I see your point, Padre. And I agree that we shouldn't shy away from the discussion. Maybe my request was ill-advised.

I guess my point was that it disturbs me to see folks advocating pot on a Christian board.

 

[Tom Bryant]

It bothers me too. I left BB for a time because of another post that seemed to be advocating the use of marajuana. I may be reading too much into it but the OP seems has gone from talking about medical use to general use.