The Mass is Idolatry, and is abomination to Holy God!
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Marks of the early church
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Your assumption that Justin Martyr was even considering transubstantition is merely your own bias turning the words into that which you desire.
Catholic as it relates to “katholike ekklesia“ was FIRST used by Ignateous in a letter in about 110AD.
It was not pertaining the papists, but the true definition of “katholike” which is universal.
The “Catholic Church” was not the RCC garbage dump of evil, but that universal church of the redeemed that the papists have persecuted and sought to destroy.
You papists will grasp at the thinnest threads in some attempt to build both doctrine and heritage.
Just as your post shows.
Us? Good grief, I have seen people here try to say there was a 1st Baptist Church of Jerusalem even though that Christian sect did not show up until after Martin Luther. The Catholic Church has maintained it's existence since the beginning, the Christian community that got it's authority from Apostolic Succession. It's not, and was never the Scriptures alone, but the Scriptures and the authority of the One Universal (Catholic) Church that exists here on earth.
History tells us that there was but one Universal (Catholic) Christian Church with it's Bishop in Rome. Only it n the 11th century did the great schism arise in Christianity , with the Eastern lung (Eastern Orthodox) of Christianity keeping to the basic teachings (i.e. the sacraments) of Christianity with infant baptism and Jesus present in the Holy Eucharist - the whole kit and caboodle. No, it's you folks who seek to justify yourselves with your attempt to malign and misrepresent the orthodox Christian way as represented by the Holy Catholic Church.
Woe to you. You have directly blasphemed the Holy Spirit with that statement.
No, Jesus in the Gospel of John itself destroyed your RCC heretical literal view on his body and blood, as it was spiritual in meaning, and was talking about the Cross, where he would become the living sacrifice, not in the mass over and over again!
You are so wrong.
The Church of Ephesus was started by Paul, run by John, and then the disciple of John, Polycarp.
They did not bow to and kiss the chief papist in Rome.
Your presentation that the earliest church bowed to some authority of Rome is just not historically accurate.
It was not until Constantine (272-337) that the church was even recognized in Rome as other then a persecuted bunch.
The "Schism" with Rome evil was from the very start of that endowment of being acceptable by Constantine.
How dare the believers in Rome present themselves as authoritative when the ONLY reason they are not still persecuted is because of political gain and recognition.
What is misrepresented by those who saw the evil of the papist schemes?
Are not these not that which defy the Scriptures and are they not sin filled practices of the papists to this day?
Purgatory.
Indulgences.
Last rites.
Praying to saints.
Icon and other Idol worship.
Transubstantiation.
Private confessionals.
Celibacy.
Mysticism.
Deifying of Mary.
Charismatic tongues.
Paedobaptism.
Sprinkling as baptist.
Hierarchy.
Papal infallibility.
Peter as the rock of the church.
Preventing Scriptures from common people.
Nun and convent.
Papal bull.
Mother superior.
And the list could go on, and on.
From the very start, Godly people have withstood that which the papists have declared as from God. And what was their treatment?
Martyrdom.
Papists carry the very blood of the saints on their hands. Why not?
They learned well from the rulers of Rome, those who took great pleasure in the killing of each other in the games held to honor some achievement, some victory against an enemy. Why not make the same judgment against the enemy of the church and even a friend of the enemy?
What do the papists offer?
They desire to "relax" the tension between protestant and the RCC. They make some veiled effort of an apology in order that the people might return to the papist ways. As if that was the problem.
Why didn't the papist merely repent?
Why did they not shed itself of all that was anti - Christ?
Discard the trappings and endorsements of this world and embrace the truth of Christ?
They cannot, for their god will not allow them such ability.
But they will continue to deceive and continue to destroy, until the God of Heaven destroys them, totally and utterly.
This is all reminds of when Paul described spiritual Jerusalem and earthly one at war against each other!
In addition to blaspheming the Holy Spirit you also continue to bear false witness against us. You are in deep trouble with the Lord.
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You have the right to not believe what the Holy Catholic Church teaches about all those things you listed and we have heard all the reasons for disagreement before, but nuns and convents? Good grief, now what can be the problem with that one? What in the world is the problem with women who consecrate themselves totally to God, who then live together in a Christian community and pray constantly and serve others? Please explain your opposition to that holy endeavor.
No explanation necessary.
There is nothing of nuns found in the Scriptures.
Eunuchs, yes.
Unmarried men, yest.
Nuns, no.
What we have here with your response is another one of those moments where you folks lose all credibility. Things done for the glory of God are permissible regardless of whether the action is mentioned in the Scriptures or not.
This is the reason why Jesus created the Church here on earth so those men who have authority and led by the Holy Spirit could decide such things. The Church came before the New Testament Scriptures were compiled as we now know them, not the other way around as you seem to think.
A woman's consecration to God and living in a community of like minded women can only be a good thing for the Kingdom.
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I am in NO trouble with the Lord, as my faith and trust in in the real one, not the false one that the RCC cuts up and gives out every Mass!
Jesus founded His true church, and that was NOT the false one of Rome!
And all saved are priests before God, so there is no special vocation set apart fro God such as the RCC does their priests and nuns!
You assume that just “anything done” can be or is “God glorifying.” It is not.
Second you assume that God gives permission to what falls outside of the specifics of conduct and people conduct and living as related to the Scriptures. He does not
David was a man after God’s own heart, yet he said that every righteousness he did was nothing but filthy in the site of God.
Again you are in error. The church had the same gifts and access to the same Scriptures as the apostles. That the NT was formalized into a “cannon” does not mean that the earliest church were without the NT.
The NT didn’t just appear, but just as the OT was given as God spoke through the prophets and the people were never without God’s Word, the same is evidenced in the earliest church, too.
Really?
What Scripture has the church supporting and authorizing such as a “good thing?”
What was Paul’s instructions concerning women? He specified each age had specific responsibilities and also specific support instructions.
Didn't God say something about those who forbidden marriage, thinking that somehow were obtaining a higher spiritual plane by doing that?
Where is the prohibition? What commandment says: "Thou shalt not consecrate oneself to God, nor live in a community with like minded people"? What are Jesus's words against such a thing? You are simply being ridiculous here.
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I assume nothing. I know that God, via His Incarnation as Jesus Christ, gave us a church here on earth to decide such things such as this.
The earliest Church had snippets of the NT, not the whole thing - at least as we now know them. A letter here, a letter there, a gospel - until the NT was codified some 300 years down the road - by the One Universal Christian Church I might add.
The Scripture does not interpret itself. The men who had authority in the Church and led by the Holy Spirit does the interpreting. They decided such things as the reality of the Trinity, the suppression of heretical thinking that arose from time to time, and yes things like what we are discussing here - the goodness of religious communities that exist for the Kingdom of God.
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Nuns and monks are among the vilest creatures. Self-righteousness exudes from their pores. I know because, I was on my way to joining them.
Rather, you are extending that what ever done for the glory of God is first, acceptable and second, actually God glorifying.
Does not Paul specifically address the living and supportof women in the assembly?
It is not a matter of what you might consider “ridiculous” but what is the principle of Scriptures.
It's too bad you feel that way. I have a good friend who is a nun and she exudes Christ from every pore. As for monks, I have gone to monasteries for prayer many times and have never met a vile one among the bunch. It is clear that you miss the whole message of Christ with your words - which is love for your fellow humans. You can't even show love towards your fellow believers in Christ, let alone your enemies, as He so clearly tells us.
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