Marriage preparation

[SaggyWoman]

Could be but sometimes I really dig feisty chicks :thumbsup:

I loves Harpo, God knows I do. But I will beat him dead before I let him hit me again.

Sofia, Color Purple.

 

[Harold Garvey]

.Huh? I thought you as the pastor is the leader? You mean the pastor/ the leader/ the undershepherd is supposed to be led by some one other than the Lord?[/quote' That happened before I came and they did not like it when I came against them.

So? Are they in leadership or are they willing to follow the pastor?

I cannot imagi9ne anyone on BB wanting their children be taught the Bible form someone they know nothing about. To think that things have alkways been good is not true. Sometime taker a look at the Jefferson Bible.

When we talk about teaching the Bible let the Bible do the talking, it will do wonders for ignorance about the Bible and is in itsself the best teacher.

The problem is not that at all. The problem is not in preaching but in doing. How many of those do you know who are preaching and personally making disciples, instead of an administrator in an organization called a church directing programs?

I know of at least one, me. I can get quite personal and be very bold.

Recently my wife and I met a couple and the lady told us that she grew up knowing little about the Bible because she heard a lot of shout stomp and spit every Sunday but the preacher used the Bible very little. She knew what the preacher stood against but little about what the BIble taught.

What, she couldn't read the Bible and be led into all truth by the Spirit?

Dependence upon a man to teach us is willful ignorance. This lady probably has issues with that pastor and I do hope you are teaching her to not believe everything she hears but to be Berean also.

The problem you suggest is because there is a serious lack of boldness.

No, not at all, except that boldness we're both talking about that is lacking: going into all the world preaching/teaching, etc. and NOT hammering a few things. It is more like comprimise.

I have heard of some but do not know of any personally. I know a Lutheran pastor who told me that before he started pastoring the church he is at the former pastor did that.

I do not for one second see the problems with Chrisitans as coming from outside of the Christian community but within.

Yep, we agree. I just had this same discussion with a pastor friend of mine this very morning.

 

[Harold Garvey]

Let's get back on topic, but here's a read to give credence to my complaint:
Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong
by James W. Loewen

 

[gb93433]

When we talk about teaching the Bible let the Bible do the talking, it will do wonders for ignorance about the Bible and is in itself the best teacher.

What, she couldn't read the Bible and be led into all truth by the Spirit?

Dependence upon a man to teach us is willful ignorance. This lady probably has issues with that pastor and I do hope you are teaching her to not believe everything she hears but to be Berean also.

If that were always the case then why did Jesus teach Mt. 13:3-8 and Mt. 28:19, 20?

I would have had issues with an idiot too. she was a kid then and has learned a lot since. Many who come from those kind of churches know so little because church is like a dog and pony show.

 

[gb93433]

Let's get back on topic, but here's a read to give credence to my complaint:
Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong
by James W. Loewen

When was the last time you heard church leaders tell the listeners that America was once a Christian nation when in fact many of the early leaders were not. Ever read the Jeffereson Bible?

 

[ccrobinson]

Let's get back on topic, but here's a read to give credence to my complaint:
Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong
by James W. Loewen

I'm confused. I don't see how you're getting back on topic. Perhaps you should start a new thread?

 

[BibleMaMa]

Ok, I am not painting any picture of people here on the board. NO WHERE did I say that. What I did say was this is wat I see around me, PHYSICALLY around me, not here in cyber space.
It is a subject that has come up in discussion for me recently too many times. And it is so true. Most baptist woman are expected to raise and teach children, keep a house, and their man. Nothing past that... Fundamental christian colleges courses for woman are secreterial or early education, which goes back to hoeschooling. There are no real classes to teach a woman how to survive in the workforce. How to survive without a husband should he die, or should a husband be hurt where he were bed or wheelchair bound.

I do not expect people to live under my brush as someone here said it. To each his own, I believe. I live how I live, believe what I believe and so does everyone else. I believe the bible, I believe in God the father, God the Son and God the holy spirit, the holy trinity. I believe Jesus paid for our sins, I believe in Salvation, I believe you can not loose salvation and I believe Women should be educated.

I believe there is a place for women and I believe there is not a place for women. I do not have the attitude that women should be treated as equals to men because we are not equal, we are seperate beings that God made wonderfully! I do not believe women should have a job that men havem firman, policeman soldier, etc....

I do not expect anyone around me to think as I do, or believe what I do. Free will to all. It is a God given gift! So who ever said that about me was so wrong. I was just appauled by what I saw here after being of of this board for quite somtime.

I mean I am not picking on people here... but, look at the womens forums. What do they talk about????? What they made for dinner, and then post the recipie, what the kids did, funny things their kids did, homechooling issues, how to survive our baptist men cheating on us and then how WE should forgive them.
Now those subject are all well and good and important and light, but there are never really intellegent conversations going on. Please do not think I am calling anyone unintellengent, not the case at all. Just all teh topics are about how to take care of our houses....

I hope I have cleared up who I am and what I stand for. And to tell some of you, you were wrong about me and I was not pointing fingers to anyone here. I simply do not enjoy these conversations here any longer after seeing this thread.

 

[annsni]

I mean I am not picking on people here... but, look at the womens forums. What do they talk about????? What they made for dinner, and then post the recipie, what the kids did, funny things their kids did, homechooling issues, how to survive our baptist men cheating on us and then how WE should forgive them.
Now those subject are all well and good and important and light, but there are never really intellegent conversations going on. Please do not think I am calling anyone unintellengent, not the case at all. Just all teh topics are about how to take care of our houses....

I hope I have cleared up who I am and what I stand for. And to tell some of you, you were wrong about me and I was not pointing fingers to anyone here. I simply do not enjoy these conversations here any longer after seeing this thread.

Are you saying that there is no intelligent conversations going on in the private forums? Well, those are for just women - and are discussions that are just for women. Those will be limited conversations because we enjoy discussing larger topics with the men in the other fellowship forums. Have you not noticed the numbers of women posting all over this board?

 

[gb93433]

I do not believe women should have a job that men havem firman, policeman soldier, etc....

Today they have found that there are times when a women is good to have in law enforcement because they are different than men.

I mean I am not picking on people here... but, look at the womens forums. What do they talk about????? What they made for dinner, and then post the recipie, what the kids did, funny things their kids did, homeschooling issues, how to survive our baptist men cheating on us and then how WE should forgive them.

Now those subject are all well and good and important and light, but there are never really intelligent conversations going on. Please do not think I am calling anyone unintelligent, not the case at all. Just all the topics are about how to take care of our houses....

Take a look at Proverbs 31 and see how things stack up against that. That lady bought a field and planted it. She had to know something about business and the marketplace. In WW2 a lot of women were in the military and also worked in factories. With more and more affluence we have changed in America. Perhaps you are not old enough to remember women working on farms and in fields.

If you would like to bring up something then you can start a new topic just like anyone else.

 

[Harold Garvey]

If that were always the case then why did Jesus teach Mt. 13:3-8 and Mt. 28:19, 20?

I would have had issues with an idiot too. she was a kid then and has learned a lot since. Many who come from those kind of churches know so little because church is like a dog and pony show.

Because he's God.

No "dog and pony show" here.

 

[Harold Garvey]

When was the last time you heard church leaders tell the listeners that America was once a Christian nation when in fact many of the early leaders were not. Ever read the Jeffereson Bible?

Ever studied American History?

back on topic please.

 

[Harold Garvey]

I'm confused. I don't see how you're getting back on topic. Perhaps you should start a new thread?

It has something to do with the request associated with the title of the thread, coupled with a true heart full of desire to remain on topic, insisting that somebody who wants to divert the topic do exactly as you suggest.

My statement contains the word "but" so I might include something valuable to that NEW TOPIC.:thumbsup:

 

[Harold Garvey]

Ok, I am not painting any picture of people here on the board. NO WHERE did I say that. What I did say was this is wat I see around me, PHYSICALLY around me, not here in cyber space.
It is a subject that has come up in discussion for me recently too many times. And it is so true. Most baptist woman are expected to raise and teach children, keep a house, and their man. Nothing past that... Fundamental christian colleges courses for woman are secreterial or early education, which goes back to hoeschooling. There are no real classes to teach a woman how to survive in the workforce. How to survive without a husband should he die, or should a husband be hurt where he were bed or wheelchair bound.

I do not expect people to live under my brush as someone here said it. To each his own, I believe. I live how I live, believe what I believe and so does everyone else. I believe the bible, I believe in God the father, God the Son and God the holy spirit, the holy trinity. I believe Jesus paid for our sins, I believe in Salvation, I believe you can not loose salvation and I believe Women should be educated.

I believe there is a place for women and I believe there is not a place for women. I do not have the attitude that women should be treated as equals to men because we are not equal, we are seperate beings that God made wonderfully! I do not believe women should have a job that men havem firman, policeman soldier, etc....

I do not expect anyone around me to think as I do, or believe what I do. Free will to all. It is a God given gift! So who ever said that about me was so wrong. I was just appauled by what I saw here after being of of this board for quite somtime.

I mean I am not picking on people here... but, look at the womens forums. What do they talk about????? What they made for dinner, and then post the recipie, what the kids did, funny things their kids did, homechooling issues, how to survive our baptist men cheating on us and then how WE should forgive them.
Now those subject are all well and good and important and light, but there are never really intellegent conversations going on. Please do not think I am calling anyone unintellengent, not the case at all. Just all teh topics are about how to take care of our houses....

I hope I have cleared up who I am and what I stand for. And to tell some of you, you were wrong about me and I was not pointing fingers to anyone here. I simply do not enjoy these conversations here any longer after seeing this thread.

My wife chooses to do what she does in full knowledge of the consequences.

Are you somehow suggesting she isn't holding up to her responsibilities or expectations from others such as yourself?

Maybe we need the governemnt to step in and force her into a vocation "just in case"?

The last time I checked each to his own in Christian liberty as long as they obey the chain of commnad the Lord instituted.

I agree with the "Proverbs 31 woman", she knew alot more than most women's lib movement types ever would credit her with. My wife could very easily fall into a "Proverbs 31" catagory.

Maybe you don't quite understand what you're seeing in the women's fellwoships? maybe there are previous issues that make you somewhat bitter towards that life in Christ the woman is granted? IDK.

By all means learn to be a lady of means, but don't ever take for granted your God-given abilities to do what God already knows women should be doing concerning the Home.

 

[gb93433]

Ever studied American History?

back on topic please.

That is my point. Some pastors just repeat what they heard from another preacher who heard the same thing from another preacher.

Have you ever seen a Jefferson Bible?

 

[gb93433]

By all means learn to be a lady of means, but don't ever take for granted your God-given abilities to do what God already knows women should be doing concerning the Home.

When was the last time you heard a pastor tell wives in the congregation that they are to buy a field and plant it?

 

[Harold Garvey]

That is my point. Some pastors just repeat what they heard from another preacher who heard the same thing from another preacher.

Have you ever seen a Jefferson Bible?

Why not start a new thread on it?

 

[Harold Garvey]

When was the last time you heard a pastor tell wives in the congregation that they are to buy a field and plant it?

Best make application here and consider what the field is.

If you're looking for anything other than the correct applications I will have to ask when did the Lord expect a woman to buy a field and plant it when she lived over forty miles from te nearest fertile land for farming?

What I'm saying is we must apply today's situation, else we'd have alot of farmers wearing skirts. :laugh:

 

[BibleMaMa]

my wife chooses to do what she does in full knowledge of the consequences. I am a stay at home mom by choice also. I homeschool, i do all the things women here talk about. And i am not talking about specifcally women on this board. Most fundamental baptist women are cluless. Lost without their man. Wouldn't know how to pay a bill, or how to go about getting a job. So then they rely on the church to take care of them. You people need to stop putting words in my mouth. I know what i see around me. It is very sad.

Are you somehow suggesting she isn't holding up to her responsibilities or expectations from others such as yourself? Not at all

maybe we need the governemnt to step in and force her into a vocation "just in case"? Maybe we should

the last time i checked each to his own in christian liberty as long as they obey the chain of commnad the lord instituted.

I agree with the "proverbs 31 woman", she knew alot more than most women's lib movement types ever would credit her with. My wife could very easily fall into a "proverbs 31" catagory.

Maybe you don't quite understand what you're seeing in the women's fellwoships? Maybe there are previous issues that make you somewhat bitter towards that life in christ the woman is granted? Idk. Not at all. Posting pray requests, recipies, and funny things the kids say are all well and good. I like to talk about those things, what i mean is there really is no real life issues. And no support for them.

By all means learn to be a lady of means, but don't ever take for granted your god-given abilities to do what god already knows women should be doing concerning the home.

i never take forgranted my god given right.

And for the one who talked about women in military. I do believe womem have a place there as nurses, secreterial positions etc... I do not think they belong on the front line. God didn't intend women to be there fighting, that is a mans job. I will no longer post any more answers to any more questions. This is not worth an argument. And i do not like people trying to twist what i am saying.
Baptist women, have fun , put those blinders on and go trough life needy. This baptist women, wife and mom wont do that.

 

[saturneptune]

i never take forgranted my god given right.

And for the one who talked about women in military. I do believe womem have a place there as nurses, secreterial positions etc... I do not think they belong on the front line. God didn't intend women to be there fighting, that is a mans job. I will no longer post any more answers to any more questions. This is not worth an argument. And i do not like people trying to twist what i am saying.
Baptist women, have fun , put those blinders on and go trough life needy. This baptist women, wife and mom wont do that.

Your posts seem right on to me. I have been married 32 years, and look at my wife as a gift of God. The Christian model for a marriage is the same as Christ to the church. It requires on the part of both husband and wife, mutual love, respect, and caring. The husband is the spiritual head of the house, but he is not a dictator.

I would not get discouraged and quit posting. The person you have been going back and forth with does not have a clue about theology, American history, or common sense. He has been doing nothing but arguing with people since the day he registered.

 

[sag38]

I agree, the poster likes to pick fights and then accuses the other of being disingenuous. It an ugly vicious trap to get caught up in. Don't respond to such people. You are wasting your time plus you deny the ssss snakes the opportunity to inject their poison in every post.