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[Christforums]

Moreover, if we think of regeneration as an instantaneous event, then preaching the Gospel becomes superfluous; either people are regenerate, in which case they are saved already, or else they are spiritually dead and cannot respond to the Gospel call.

Doesn't mean their minds are transformed and that they are not behaviorally transgressing in sin. Something to consider, the work of the Holy Spirit by regenerating doesn't use ordinary means John 3:8. Regeneration is not something man IMO can fully comprehend but by definition regeneration is a miracle which is G-d intervening in the laws of nature. In the case of regeneration G-d is intervening in human nature of the natural man.

And I misread your post therefore I do not want to continue misrepresenting what you said. I understand the Ordo Salutis you shared and despite not appreciating the wording there wasn't anything really to pound out on the anvil. Foreknowledge could easily be misunderstood if not understood in the context of Romans 8:29.

And I agree, there might be better opportunity if this thread was split.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

The Ordo Salutis you pointed out is from the Arminian camp

I don't think you'll find it is. I am a full-on five-point Calvinist. Every thing is of God.

 

[Cathode]

The 66 canonized books of the scriptures were all completed by end of first century, and were being circulated among the churches in second century, so Rome did not create the scriptures, but reaffirmed the inspired ones, and their grave mistake was to later add on non inspired books in order to "prove" Roman doctrines

And in Christ, I am equal in the sight of God to any pope or apostle as eternal luife and salvation made me a saint and priest to God as much as any of them were

And the Holy Spirit ceased to give any further revelations to us after Apostle John p[assed, and surely was n ot guiding and giving understanding to the Roman Popes and cardinals, as they made false teachings and doctrines, many of them heretical in nature

Heretical according to who? Your interpretation of scripture? Who are you?

 

[JesusFan]

Heretical according to who? Your interpretation of scripture? Who are you?

Per Council of Trent, Church of Rome denies Pauline Justification, as salvation per it not found in Christ, but merited thru sacramental grace system and good works
Paul calls Rome out on this, not me

 

[Christforums]

I don't think you'll find it is. I am a full-on five-point Calvinist. Every thing is of God.

You're right, I misread your post and when I skimmed over the Ordo Salutis hadn't given the author enough credit. Most often foreknowledge is associated by the Arminian perspective; G-d looked forward through the corridors of time and saw who might choose Him (synergism) and elected them to salvation. If interested I just finished another page inspired by this thread: Protestant: “Reformed”, “Evangelical” and “Church”… - The school of Isaiah

There's a lot of good information in the video and quotes from credible historians that capture the most pivotal moments throughout 2000 yrs of church history. Augustine for example, was and is considered among the first Reformers.

 

[Cathode]

Per Council of Trent, Church of Rome denies Pauline Justification, as salvation per it not found in Christ, but merited thru sacramental grace system and good works
Paul calls Rome out on this, not me

Paul said Faith working through Love, Trent just reaffirmed what was always believed.