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Martin Luther King Jr. and influences on Black churches

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Van said:
Can you provide a link to the article written by MLK that supports this?
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I found this link:
"The Humanity and Divinity of Jesus"

Here MLK argues against the "orthodox" doctrine that Jesus was inherently divine, but that He "became" divine because of His unity and reliance upon God. MLK adopted this view, totally unbiblical, because we (humans) could use it to justify not living up to His example. (Consider the Governor of California justifying his hypocrisy because we are unable to mirror Christ.)

So, did our very human Jesus grow in His unity with God. Of course, consider asking to pass the cup, then later after prayer, desiring to take the cup. And it is this aspect of our understanding of Christ, that cuts against orthodoxy. Are we not to strive to become more Christ-like? He is our example, and so we should not dismiss His sinless life, as something we should not strive for too.

Perhaps MLK held some bogus doctrines, but like Calvinists, we should not declare they do not love Jesus and are not part of the family of God.
 
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Marooncat79 said:
Ghandi said those things as well. Was he a faithful prophet of the Lord?
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Rather than change the subject, define your term! A person who presents God's truth fits the definition, during that presentation, as a spokesperson for God. This is not rocket science.
 
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I do not read it as "indicative of the rejection of the Virgin Birth." MLK concludes that the origin of Jesus is a mystery.

And another point, the paper apparently got an "A" and therefore was probably aligned with the Professor's views. Lots of folks write stuff to match the Professor in order to get a good grade.
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His conclusion does not erase all he said before. His admission that it is a mystery indicates the extent to which he agrees with the early Christians.

In his paper, King doesn’t accept the biological miracle. I’ve stated elsewhere that he seems to be merely spouting what he’s been taught.
 
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RighteousnessTemperance& said:
His conclusion does not erase all he said before. His admission that it is a mystery indicates the extent to which he agrees with the early Christians.

In his paper, King doesn’t accept the biological miracle. I’ve stated elsewhere that he seems to be merely spouting what he’s been taught.
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And as I have stated elsewhere, he may be writing what he thinks the professor wants to hear.
 
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JonC said:
This is more than liberal theology. It is heresy (it removes one from being Christian).
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And here goes the myth that conservative theology is correct theology...slavery, Jim Crow, and racism (that I'm seeing on this thread) proves this wrong.
 
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So let us all bash MLK, he was not King David, he was not Gandhi, his expressed views on biblical doctrine certainly were flawed. And what do we accomplish? Do we change the subject from our flaws, our injustice, our failure to right wrongs? And is this effort to advance the ministry of Christ? All three, Jack, and Bobby, and Martin died because they tried to address injustice in America.

Amos 5:24
“But let justice roll down like waters
And righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.
 
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robustheologian said:
And here goes the myth that conservative theology is correct theology...slavery, Jim Crow, and racism (that I'm seeing on this thread) proves this wrong.
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No, it is not "conservative theology". It is Christian theology.

There are things that a Christian has to believe to be a Christian. One is that Jesus is God. We cannot, like MLK, simply say that this was a myth created by the first century Jew who could not articulate Christ any other way. Another is the Resurrection (that Jesus bodily rose from the grave). We cannot hold, as MLK did, that this refers to the truth Jesus opened himself up to lived on beyond his death.

These truths are not "Jim Crow". These truths are the gospel of Jesus Christ. They are foundational. To deny these truths is to deny Christ. Men who deny those truths but claim to be Christian are heretics (they are not saved at all).

That said, we should all appreciate the work that MLK has done in terms of the Civil Right's movement. But being a "good" person in terms of social justice issues does not a Christian make.

You are making a myth out of the man (he is your "Dixie", a romanticized version of the real thing). I love the writings of Yeats. He is one of my favorite poets. But there is no way I'd call him Christian because that would be a rejection of Christ.
 
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Van said:
So let us all bash MLK, he was not King David, he was not Gandhi, his expressed views on biblical doctrine certainly were flawed. And what do we accomplish? Do we change the subject from our flaws, our injustice, our failure to right wrongs? And is this effort to advance the ministry of Christ? All three, Jack, and Bobby, and Martin died because they tried to address injustice in America.

Amos 5:24
“But let justice roll down like waters
And righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.
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Their deaths were the work of criminals. JFK by a communist, Bobby by an Islamic terrorist, and MLK by an ordinary criminal.
 
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robustheologian said:
Says who? You? That definitely doesn't hold a lot of weight.
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Says the Bible. The Bible states that Christ was born of a virgin. The Bible states that Christ is God. The Bible is where we find the bodily resurrection of Christ. And the Bible is where Paul's words are saying that our faith itself is in this bodily resurrection. And the Bible is where Christians read that Christ will come again physically.

If you agree with MLK's "christianity" then you are not a Christian. And that is sad. If you agree with MLK's "christianity" then I would urge you not to allow the cares of this world prevent you from entering the Kingdom of God. Set aside your experiences. Set aside social justice (only for a moment). And read Scripture as if it were actually true, as if Jesus really is God, as if Jesus really did rise from the tomb, and as if you too can share in that resurrection. God sent His Son to die that you might be freed from the bondage of sin and death. Jesus gave His life for you. It was not a Black man who died for you. It was not a White man that died for you. Jesus was Jewish, but more importantly He is human and He is God. God died for you. If all you do is focus on social justice and ignore that we are freed and justified already then you are missing out. If you would like to discuss your faith, if you would like to walk through the gospel of Jesus Christ, then feel free to PM me. But do not expect me to reject Christ in favor of social justice issues.

MLK rejected the faith once given. MLK rejected the faith of the early church. MLK rejected the faith of African Christians. MLK rejected the faith of Jewish Christians. And yes, MLK also rejected the faith of White Christians. This is one faith, one gospel, that MLK denied. If you look to MLK as your god you will be disappointed.
 
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church mouse guy said:
Their deaths were the work of criminals. JFK by a communist, Bobby by an Islamic terrorist, and MLK by an ordinary criminal.
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Al Gore invented the internet. Those were probably internet fees he rightly earned from Russia......just sayin. :D
 
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