Mary’s devotion to Jesus

[Cathode]

You guys have fallen into the classic trap of going beyond what is written.

 

[Ascetic X]

A mediator bridges two estranged parties to bring about reconciliation and peace, often guaranteeing a covenant or settlement.

A intercessor pleads, prays, or advocates on behalf of one party to another, seeking mercy or help without necessarily holding the structural office of legal reconciliation.

• Mediator:
  • Acts as a middle person to unite opposing or separated groups.
  • Establishes or restores a foundational relationship or legal peace.
  • Takes active responsibility or provides the mechanism for resolution (such as an atonement or legal contract).
• Intercessor:
  • Steps into the gap to present requests, petitions, or prayers for others.
  • Appeals to a higher authority for mercy, favor, or protection on someone else's behalf.
  • Does not replace the primary authority or bridge the legal divide directly; rather, they make a request to the one who can.

 

[Cathode]

No, that is not what Scripture says, it says there is one mediator, period. “There is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Tim 2:5)

Read on.

“For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,who gave himself as a ransom for all.”

Nice to have a little context to the verse.
Here we see in what way Christ was Mediator between God and man by being ransom for all which took place on the Cross.

Cherry picking and going beyond what is written are the two issues with you guys.

 

[Cathode]

No, that is not what Scripture says, it says there is one mediator, period. “There is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Tim 2:5)

No, not period, comma.

“For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus , COMMA who gave himself as a ransom for all . Period“

 

[Anthony Pritchard]

Nice to have a little context to the verse.

Paul does not divide mediation into “redeemer‑mediator” and “prayer‑mediators.” The ransom clause explains why Christ is the one mediator; it does not create additional mediators. Paul says there is one mediator between God and men, not one type, not one category, not one for redemption and others for prayer. One mediator, period. Any additional mediators are added by tradition, not Scripture. Context. Period.

 

[Mike B]

You guys have fallen into the classic trap of going beyond what is written.

Have to admit...the fightin' Baptist in me truly wants to give you an earful, however being a
new(ish) member here I will try to be polite.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament,........


It can't be made any more plain.......God told us, at least three times, that Jesus Christ is the ONLY
mediator between God and mankind.

The Catholic Church is the master and champion of made up religiosity and feigned holiness, and they
have pulled very thick wool over your eyes. The brothers here have shown you the Biblical truth, and have
made every effort to help you correct your quite obvious error. How you proceed from here is entirely
up to you.

 

[Cathode]

Have to admit...the fightin' Baptist in me truly wants to give you an earful, however being a
new(ish) member here I will try to be polite.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament,........


It can't be made any more plain.......God told us, at least three times, that Jesus Christ is the ONLY
mediator between God and mankind.

The Catholic Church is the master and champion of made up religiosity and feigned holiness, and they
have pulled very thick wool over your eyes. The brothers here have shown you the Biblical truth, and have
made every effort to help you correct your quite obvious error. How you proceed from here is entirely
up to you.

No, the brothers have cherry picked in half sentences and have deliberately avoided the context of the rest of the sentence.

They have consistently gone beyond what is written and foisted human tradition.

They have ignored dictionary definitions, root etymology, and concordance exposition which gives context and meaning.

Who knows what grave textual crimes they are capable of.

Oh the humanity.

Look I know you are only trying to be a fair mediator here, but if you could intercede for me and explain my points of contention, I would be much obliged.

All those scriptures you cited were in context of Christs sacrifice.
This is the context of Christ’s being the One Mediator between God and man.

Extending it to mean saints can’t do prayer mediation for others is going beyond what is written.

Can you tell them mate?

 

[Ascetic X]

No, the brothers have cherry picked in half sentences and have deliberately avoided the context of the rest of the sentence.

They have consistently gone beyond what is written and foisted human tradition.

They have ignored dictionary definitions, root etymology, and concordance exposition which gives context and meaning.

Who knows what grave textual crimes they are capable of.

Oh the humanity.

Look I know you are only trying to be a fair mediator here, but if you could intercede for me and explain my points of contention, I would be much obliged.

All those scriptures you cited were in context of Christs sacrifice.
This is the context of Christ’s being the One Mediator between God and man.

Extending it to mean saints can’t do prayer mediation for others is going beyond what is written.

Can you tell them mate?

Prayer is not called mediation in scripture, it is called intercession.

 

[Mike B]

Extending it to mean saints can’t do prayer mediation for others is going beyond what is written.

Can you provide a verse (from any Bible) that speaks of those you deem to be "saints" (aka: the dead)
being a heavenly mediator or intercessor between God and mankind?

As an example, let's say you are going to take a trip to Rome, Italy. You pray to St. Christopher that
you have a safe and enjoyable trip. Assuming Christopher is indeed in Heaven, and considering that
your St. Christopher has no power of his own to keep you safe, he would then go before God the
Father and ask Him to keep you safe on your journey.

When you can prayerfully, and directly, ask God to keep you safe, the above example makes no
sense at all. Do you believe that God would say "no" to you, but because Christopher asked Him
he would say "yes"? You must believe that, otherwise why would you pray to St. Christopher in the
first place?

Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

 

[Anthony Pritchard]

No, the brothers have cherry picked in half sentences and have deliberately avoided the context of the rest of the sentence.

And what context in what sentence was avoided?