Mary Ann Collins (A Former Catholic Nun)

[Kathryn]

Ray:

You, and Mioque are the only ones I know of on the other religions forum that say you have doctorates. Mioque stated where her degree is from and I really appreciated that. Carson has told us where his soon to be Masters degree is coming from. If you don’t want to say, that is OK with me I will drop it.

God Bless

 

[JustAsIAm]

My "degrees" are from the University of Real Life. While I admire a "learned" person, nothing teaches wisdom like living.

 

[MikeS]

Originally posted by JustAsIAm:
My "degrees" are from the University of Real Life.

I find that I keep having to take incompletes and repeat the classes...

 

[JustAsIAm]

MikeS,

Me too!

 

[prionseas]

Hi all, I am new to this web site and reside in the United Kingdom. I have been reading all the posts on Mary Ann Collins and have found some of the remarks very distrubing. Just becuase a person had left the RCC and now disagrees with RCC doctrine does not imply that they totally disregard all that they have learnt as a Roman Catholic.
True as it may be that Mary Ann will not reveal what convent she lived in causes a problem, but has anyone, especially those who have ridiculed all ex RCCs, ever bothered to ask her why she will not reveal this fact. There may be a legitamite reason.
It appears to me from reading some of the posts that some are not showing the Christian love and understanding that they expect others to show them.
I look forward to learning lots.

Every blessing
Prionseas

 

[Carson Weber]

Hi Prionseas,

Welcome to the board.

We're glad to have you here.

 

[Jill2778]

Mike S. - You said:

" Well, I specifically said "Catholic Church," not "Catholics." Do you love the time you spent in the Catholic Church, and are you greatful for the faith in Christ that you developed there? Because those Christians entering the Catholic Church do feel that way about their former faith, almost without exception (in my experience, speaking only for myself, etc, etc)."

I am not thankful at all. To me, the first 24 years of my religious upbringing were a waste of time. I never knew Christ in the Catholic church. To me He was an unreachable giant. When I started attending church with the Baptists (and became Baptist) I learned what a real relationship with Christ is really about.

GraceSaves - You said:

"Please do not insinuate that I disagree that Christ is present in other ways apart from the Eucharist. He is present in the word of God. He is present where two or three are gathered in His name. He is present when sins are forgiven, for it is His power that forgives them. He is present in our prayers when He intercedes for us to the Father. But your insinuation that Christ could not be MORE present to us in these ways baffles me, for if this is the case, you must not look forward to Heaven, because apparently being in the direct physical presense of God Almighty is nothing very important to you. Jesus Christ is God-made-man, and thus, physical. Therefore, a physical union with Him in INDEED something absolutely special and unique."

I did not realize it was possible for Christ to be physically present in your Eucharist as well as physically present sitting at the right hand of the Father on a throne in Heaven, also, I did not realize Christ could be physically present in millions of churches worldwide at the same time. I also didn't realize Christ could be present physically in the tablenacle when Mass is not going on and also sitting on His throne in Heaven. Wow.

 

[Jill2778]

Mike S. - You said:

" Well, I specifically said "Catholic Church," not "Catholics." Do you love the time you spent in the Catholic Church, and are you greatful for the faith in Christ that you developed there? Because those Christians entering the Catholic Church do feel that way about their former faith, almost without exception (in my experience, speaking only for myself, etc, etc)."

I am not thankful at all. To me, the first 24 years of my religious upbringing were a waste of time. I never knew Christ in the Catholic church. To me He was an unreachable giant. When I started attending church with the Baptists (and became Baptist) I learned what a real relationship with Christ is really about.

GraceSaves - You said:

"Please do not insinuate that I disagree that Christ is present in other ways apart from the Eucharist. He is present in the word of God. He is present where two or three are gathered in His name. He is present when sins are forgiven, for it is His power that forgives them. He is present in our prayers when He intercedes for us to the Father. But your insinuation that Christ could not be MORE present to us in these ways baffles me, for if this is the case, you must not look forward to Heaven, because apparently being in the direct physical presense of God Almighty is nothing very important to you. Jesus Christ is God-made-man, and thus, physical. Therefore, a physical union with Him in INDEED something absolutely special and unique."

I did not realize it was possible for Christ to be physically present in your Eucharist as well as physically present sitting at the right hand of the Father on a throne in Heaven, also, I did not realize Christ could be physically present in millions of churches worldwide at the same time. I also didn't realize Christ could be present physically in the tablenacle when Mass is not going on and also sitting on His throne in Heaven. Wow.

 

[Catholic Dad]

WPurnam said:

Hay guys! Don't leave me out!

I became a Catholic in 1953!

Me too! (Of course, that was the year I was born )

I agree with Carson and Gracesaves, "I love being Catholic!"

In Christ,
Catholic Dad

 

[MikeS]

Originally posted by Jill2778:
I did not realize it was possible for Christ to be physically present in your Eucharist as well as physically present sitting at the right hand of the Father on a throne in Heaven, also, I did not realize Christ could be physically present in millions of churches worldwide at the same time. I also didn't realize Christ could be present physically in the tablenacle when Mass is not going on and also sitting on His throne in Heaven. Wow.

Is there an official list that itemizes all the things that Christ is unable to do? All us Catholics would sure like to see it! I'll bet the world's atheists would like to see it even more!

And yes, WOW is a very appropriate attitude towards the Eucharist.

 

[GraceSaves]

The physical Christ walked through a closed and locked door to give peace to His apostles after His resurrection from the dead. I question why you doubt the miraculous abilities of the physical Jesus when he defied nature plainly in Scripture.

 

[MikeS]

Originally posted by Jill2778:
Mike S. - You said:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />" Well, I specifically said "Catholic Church," not "Catholics." Do you love the time you spent in the Catholic Church, and are you greatful for the faith in Christ that you developed there? Because those Christians entering the Catholic Church do feel that way about their former faith, almost without exception (in my experience, speaking only for myself, etc, etc)."

I am not thankful at all. To me, the first 24 years of my religious upbringing were a waste of time. I never knew Christ in the Catholic church. To me He was an unreachable giant. When I started attending church with the Baptists (and became Baptist) I learned what a real relationship with Christ is really about.
</font>[/QUOTE]I'm sorry you had to give up so much to find what was available to you all along in the Catholic Church.

 

[BrianT]

I'm not Catholic, but if Christ *is* present in the Eucharist, I don't have a problem with the idea of him being in heaven and also in the Eucharist in millions of churches world-wide, etc. If he could multiply the bread and the fish to feed five thousand, he can multiply the flesh and the blood to nourish five quadrillion if he wanted.

BTW Jill, I haven't forgotten about your email. I'll respond later today or tomorrow.

 

[Kathryn]

Looking at them, Jesus *said, "With people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God." Mark 10:27

 

[prionseas]

Originally posted by Jill2778:

I am not thankful at all. To me, the first 24 years of my religious upbringing were a waste of time. I never knew Christ in the Catholic church. To me He was an unreachable giant. When I started attending church with the Baptists (and became Baptist) I learned what a real relationship with Christ is really about.

[/QUOTE]I did not realize it was possible for Christ to be physically present in your Eucharist as well as physically present sitting at the right hand of the Father on a throne in Heaven, also, I did not realize Christ could be physically present in millions of churches worldwide at the same time. I also didn't realize Christ could be present physically in the tablenacle when Mass is not going on and also sitting on His throne in Heaven. Wow. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I can understand the comments of Jill regarding her years in the RCC. However having spent twentytwo years in the RCC in Dublin I am grateful in so many ways to the RCC.
Firstly I was given some very critical instruction regarding doctines like, the Godhead, the Trinity, the Ressurection and assension so that when I became a true christian (ie Evangelical Protestant) through a real change in my life brought about by accepting the teachings of God's Word as opposed to what I had been taught on the means of a sinner being reconciled to God, I was not confused by the departure of so many Protestants (Liberal and Modernists) from most of the basic doctrines of the Faith. The RCC taught me well.
I am equally grateful to the RCC, and Jill if you think about this I am sure you will be also, that having had first hand experience of the emptyness both in my own life and with the testimony of my friends and indeed as expressed by many priests. Having seen how without money Mass could not be said for your loved ones(Dublin RC saying "High money High Mass, Low Money Low Mass, no money No Mass)I understand what is meant by trying to quench your thirst from an empty well.
When I return to Dublin, as I do, some of my family and old friends, still RC's criticise the RCC more than I ever do.
With regard to Christ being present in the Eucharist perhaps an American Roman Catholic can explain something to me that Catholics overhere cannot explain. If Jn 6 v 53 refers to the Eucharist how do you explain the words of Jesus"Unless you eat and drink you have NO LIFE in you"
Every blessing to all

Prionseas

 

[Carson Weber]

Hi Prionseas,

You asked, "If Jn 6 v 53 refers to the Eucharist how do you explain the words of Jesus, "Unless you eat and drink you have NO LIFE in you""

St. John employs the grammatical device of hyperbole to stress the reality of the Holy Eucharist. All of St. John's Gospel is one long sacramental catechesis for the Early Christian Church as Oscar Cullmann (the famous Lutheran exegete) shows in Early Christian Worship.

 

[MikeS]

Originally posted by prionseas:
...so that when I became a true christian (ie Evangelical Protestant)...

Hmmm....

 

[JustAsIAm]

Since you are all talking about the Eucharist, I have a question. I am not trying to be disrespectful (doesn't everyone say that before they are - but this is a serious question.), but, my sister (a Baptist) asked my other sister (a Catholic), what happens to the left over wine and bread when the church is done with it. Now, my sister works as a youth leader in her local parish and is a vice-principal at a local catholic school. She serves communion at her church. She told my sister that the wine was poured down the drain at the church and the bread was either put away up in front of the church or put in the garbage disposal. Is this common practice?

 

[Kathryn]

JustasIam:

Since you are all talking about the Eucharist, I have a question. I am not trying to be disrespectful (doesn't everyone say that before they are - but this is a serious question.), but, my sister (a Baptist) asked my other sister (a Catholic), what happens to the left over wine and bread when the church is done with it. Now, my sister works as a youth leader in her local parish and is a vice-principal at a local catholic school. She serves communion at her church. She told my sister that the wine was poured down the drain at the church and the bread was either put away up in front of the church or put in the garbage disposal. Is this common practice?

Sacorium: (meaning Sacred) A sink with the drain emptying directly into the ground. The water from the sacred vessels (Chalice. Paten. Ciborium) are poured down this drain.

Tabernacle: The place where the Ciborium with the Blessed Sacrament is kept. Eucharist is kept here so the sick of our parish will be able to receive Christ in their own homes.

The consecrated wine should be consumed and the consecrated hosts placed in the Tabernacle.

http://hfcc.middletown.md.us/ministries/euch_def.html

Here are instructions from this site:

"Then consume the remaining Body and Blood of Christ in a respectful silence, and take all vessels to the Sacristy, leaving the corporal on the credence table after Mass. The sacristan will remove it. A small amount of water is to be poured into the vessels for purification. This water will then be poured down the sacrarium."

[ January 15, 2004, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: Kathryn ]

 

[LaRae]

Originally posted by JustAsIAm:
Since you are all talking about the Eucharist, I have a question. I am not trying to be disrespectful (doesn't everyone say that before they are - but this is a serious question.), but, my sister (a Baptist) asked my other sister (a Catholic), what happens to the left over wine and bread when the church is done with it. Now, my sister works as a youth leader in her local parish and is a vice-principal at a local catholic school. She serves communion at her church. She told my sister that the wine was poured down the drain at the church and the bread was either put away up in front of the church or put in the garbage disposal. Is this common practice?

Putting the consecrated Host in the garbage disposal is an ABUSE! All consecrated Hosts should be placed in the Tabernacle!

I hope you tell your sister this....she needs to address with to the priest so he can tell them to stop!


LaRae