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TP
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Greetings,
Did't you already post all of these? Why do it again? Please enter the discussion with arguements or can't you answer the arguements?
peace
Did't you already post all of these? Why do it again? Please enter the discussion with arguements or can't you answer the arguements?
peace
Joseph_Botwinick
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That is not true. You have seen these prayers before here:
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/2987/2.html
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TP
Guest
Greetings,
You better watch out. If you keep reading these prayers, and Mary keeps praying for you. You may realize that Jesus loves his mother, and you should to. Perhaps you are so vehmently against this because deep down in side you are attracked to the truth. Jesus is Lord, and loves his mother.
peace
You better watch out. If you keep reading these prayers, and Mary keeps praying for you. You may realize that Jesus loves his mother, and you should to. Perhaps you are so vehmently against this because deep down in side you are attracked to the truth. Jesus is Lord, and loves his mother.
peace
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TP
Guest
Greetings,
You said: That is not true. You have seen these prayers before here:
Response: Clarify, until your Multiple posts of the same prayer, I have not seen it. That comment reminds me of George Bush: "Don't forget Poland" comment.
peace
You said: That is not true. You have seen these prayers before here:
Response: Clarify, until your Multiple posts of the same prayer, I have not seen it. That comment reminds me of George Bush: "Don't forget Poland" comment.
peace
Joseph_Botwinick
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TP,
Please explain the idea that Mary was concieved without sin and that she is to be our salvation. As far as I know, Jesus is our salvation, not Mary. Also, why would we ask a dead person to pray for us. Isn't that a form of necromancy which is strictly forbidden in the Bible? Why would I, as a Christian want to dedicate (consecrate) everything I am to Mary? Aren't we supposed to give our lives to Christ? Mariology is nothing more than heretical teaching and idolatry.
Joseph Botwinick
Please explain the idea that Mary was concieved without sin and that she is to be our salvation. As far as I know, Jesus is our salvation, not Mary. Also, why would we ask a dead person to pray for us. Isn't that a form of necromancy which is strictly forbidden in the Bible? Why would I, as a Christian want to dedicate (consecrate) everything I am to Mary? Aren't we supposed to give our lives to Christ? Mariology is nothing more than heretical teaching and idolatry.
Joseph Botwinick
Joseph_Botwinick
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Amen, John.
Joseph Botwinick
Joseph Botwinick
BobRyan
Well-Known Member
To gloss over the INCARNATE aspect of Christ's birth is to deny the Trinity in favor of exaulting Mary as "Mother of God".
This is the position that the RCC has placed itself in -- you are simply arguing in a way that highlights the RC error when you argue that normal Mother and Father roles in procreation are to be assumed for Mary regarding GOD!
The lessening of God is not what the RCC "says" it wants -- it would love to have it "both ways" -- keep God as He is and raise Mary up to the status of PROCREATOR of God - Mother of God,,,
But God the Son was NOT PROCREATED in Christ - He was INCARNATED in Christ! And that is a huge difference.
In Christ,
Bob
Quite the contrary. The birth process for humans is PROCREATION because the parents PROCREATE their offspring. To place Mary in the role of PROCREATOR of God -- is to exault Mary with a "God title" at the expense of diminishing God!
"Again" you miss the concept of PROCREATION. And you show that you are perfectly willing to blur the distinction between PROCREATION and INCARNATION to exault Mary at the expense of the deity.
This is the position that the RCC has placed itself in -- you are simply arguing in a way that highlights the RC error when you argue that normal Mother and Father roles in procreation are to be assumed for Mary regarding GOD!
That's just it! The RCC can't say that God really was STARTED was PROCREATED by Mary -- which is EXACTLY what we mean we we speak of our parents -- BUT they want to USE that parent of God TITLE for Mary to exault her - -they want it "both ways" so they don't seem to mind if the result is to exault mary and diminish christ - to the level of procreated GOD.
The lessening of God is not what the RCC "says" it wants -- it would love to have it "both ways" -- keep God as He is and raise Mary up to the status of PROCREATOR of God - Mother of God,,,
But God the Son was NOT PROCREATED in Christ - He was INCARNATED in Christ! And that is a huge difference.
In Christ,
Bob
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TP
Guest
Greetings,
You said: The Bible says all have siinned.
REsponse: I do not believe that babies have sinned or that severely mentally handicapped people sin.
peace
You said: The Bible says all have siinned.
REsponse: I do not believe that babies have sinned or that severely mentally handicapped people sin.
peace
Joseph_Botwinick
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Then why do you baptize them?
Joseph Botwinick
Joseph Botwinick
Bro. Lewis
New Member
I'M JUST NOW JOINING THIS CHAT AND HAVEN'T READ ALL THE PREVIOUS MATERIAL, BUT PLEASE ALOW ME TO JOIN. MARY WAS A REMARKABLE CHARACTER IN SCRIPTURE. FOR SOME REASON GOD FAVORED HER AND BLESSED HER IN A WAY N
THER WOMAN HAD OR HAS BEEN BLESSED. WE KNOW SHE WAS A VIRGIN. WE KNOW SHE WAS BETROTHED TO A MAN NAMED JOSEPH. WE KNOW SHE WAS INVOLVED IN RAISING JESUS TO ATLEAST AGE 12. WE KNOW SHE FOLLWED HIM DURING HIS ADULT MINISTRY. WE KNOW SHE GAVE BIRTH TTHER CHILDREN AFTER CHRIST'S BIRTH. WE KNOW CHRIST INSTRUCTED JOHN TO CARE FOR HER. WE KNOW SHE ABODE WITH THE DECIPLES AFTER CHRIST'S DEATH. SHE WAS AND IS A HISTORICAL AND SCRIPTURAL FIGURE ABOUT WHOM ALL CHRISTIAN SHOULD KNOW. NEVER-THE-LESS SHE IS NOT ONE TO BE PRAYED TO. THE BIBLE NEVER INSTRUCTS US TO PRAY TO ANY ONE BUT GOD. THERE ARE NO BIBLE EXAMPLES OF ANY BELIEVER EVER PRAYING TO ANY ONE BUT THE LORD. WE HAVE ONLY ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, AND THAT IS JESUS. WE CAN COME BOLDLY TO THE THRONE OF GRACE. IF ONE PRAYS TO MARY IT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN PRAYING TO A DEAD LOVED ONE. CAN THEY HEAR US, I DON'T KNOW. WE DO KNOW GOD HEARS OUR PRAYERS SO PRAY TO HIM!
THER WOMAN HAD OR HAS BEEN BLESSED. WE KNOW SHE WAS A VIRGIN. WE KNOW SHE WAS BETROTHED TO A MAN NAMED JOSEPH. WE KNOW SHE WAS INVOLVED IN RAISING JESUS TO ATLEAST AGE 12. WE KNOW SHE FOLLWED HIM DURING HIS ADULT MINISTRY. WE KNOW SHE GAVE BIRTH TTHER CHILDREN AFTER CHRIST'S BIRTH. WE KNOW CHRIST INSTRUCTED JOHN TO CARE FOR HER. WE KNOW SHE ABODE WITH THE DECIPLES AFTER CHRIST'S DEATH. SHE WAS AND IS A HISTORICAL AND SCRIPTURAL FIGURE ABOUT WHOM ALL CHRISTIAN SHOULD KNOW. NEVER-THE-LESS SHE IS NOT ONE TO BE PRAYED TO. THE BIBLE NEVER INSTRUCTS US TO PRAY TO ANY ONE BUT GOD. THERE ARE NO BIBLE EXAMPLES OF ANY BELIEVER EVER PRAYING TO ANY ONE BUT THE LORD. WE HAVE ONLY ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, AND THAT IS JESUS. WE CAN COME BOLDLY TO THE THRONE OF GRACE. IF ONE PRAYS TO MARY IT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN PRAYING TO A DEAD LOVED ONE. CAN THEY HEAR US, I DON'T KNOW. WE DO KNOW GOD HEARS OUR PRAYERS SO PRAY TO HIM!
Yup. You cannot prove that it is God's will, so now come the threats.
Shame on you.
BTW, to all the spirit filled, bible drilled, and Christ thrilled Christians who have joined this thread to denounce this doctrine from hell.
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dianetavegia
Guest
Who is to say that Jesus loves Mary more than the least of us?
TP also said.....
If you keep reading these prayers....
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
If you keep reading these prayers....
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
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dianetavegia
Guest
Gina! Here's a present for you.
