Mary Sightings in History

[Thinkingstuff]

Pleeeaase! I know you like to sound scholarly but at least be honest with his statement.

As always you defend a position by character assination as you attempt to do here. What else would you call what he said?

yes, as when non RC hear/read the term of 'god bearer', we do not reguklate to just jesus being incanated in her Womb, but that it means Mary bore/originated the trinity, All persons of the GodHead!
Also, MUST differiate between the twin natures from origin points, as God begot his Son Deity , maryu begot her sons humanity

Sounds modalistic to me. Catholics do not hold that Mary Created the creator. She participated (I know you don't like that word) in the incarnation. That doesn't mean she caused the incarnation (since you confuse what participation means).

 

[The Biblicist]

It seems Yeshua is holding to a modalist view of God.

Better go back and refesh yourself on Modualism or Seballianism. He mistakenly said that God is "three beings" but that is not modualism but tritheism.

Modualism is the idea there is but ONE PERSON who is the Son who at times reveals himself as Father and other times as the Spirit. It illustrates itself by the analogy that one person can be a father, a husband and a son but not Three Persons but only One person that takes up three different modes of expression.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

No, to the classic trnitarian view on there being but ONE God, but with him are 3 seperate beings, each distinct, yet also all 3 equally God!

just saying when I hear 'god bearer", and read the various titles/works RCC ascribes to mary, just see the RCCseeing her as literally bearing ALL of the truine godhead, not just jesus!

Also, it seems the RCC wants mary to BOTH bear and originate both natures of jesus!

Ok, but now when you say things like

just see the RCCseeing her as literally bearing ALL of the truine godhead, not just jesus!

now you sound tri theistic or holding to three gods.

 

[The Biblicist]

Ok, but now when you say things like now you sound tri theistic or holding to three gods.

Correct! But not modualistic!

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Better go back and refesh yourself on Modualism or Seballianism. He mistakenly said that God is "three beings" but that is not modualism but tritheism.

Modualism is the idea there is but ONE PERSON who is the Son who at times reveals himself as Father and other times as the Spirit. It illustrates itself by the analogy that one person can be a father, a husband and a son but not Three Persons but only One person that takes up three different modes of expression.

You know you're right I applied the wrong heresy to Yeshua. He sounds like purporting another heresy of Tritheism. Or adoptionism. But not quite adoptionism. There are so many heresies that get regurgitated I get lost remembering them all. But Nothing is new under the sun!

 

[The Biblicist]

You know you're right I applied the wrong heresy to Yeshua. He sounds like purporting another heresy of Tritheism. Or adoptionism. But not quite adoptionism. There are so many heresies that get regurgitated I get lost remembering them all. But Nothing is new under the sun!

No problem, I get things confused at times too.

 

[Yeshua1]

You have to be careful here. It is not three "beings" but one Being or one divine essence manifested in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons. I know that is what you intended but you are among wolves who will rend you to peices

You are correct! One being, who has eternally manifested himself as 3 seperate/distinct persons, yet having same essense...

As the NEB put it, "whatever God was, the Word was!"

 

[Yeshua1]

You know you're right I applied the wrong heresy to Yeshua. He sounds like purporting another heresy of Tritheism. Or adoptionism. But not quite adoptionism. There are so many heresies that get regurgitated I get lost remembering them all. But Nothing is new under the sun!

Nope, i hold to the Trintarian view that God is but ONE Being, but has eternally manifested himself as 3 seperate/distinct persons, yet ALL sharing SAME essense, all 3 equally God!

believing in 3 Gods would make me a Mormon!

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Nope, i hold to the Trintarian view that God is but ONE Being, but has eternally manifested himself as 3 seperate/distinct persons, yet ALL sharing SAME essense, all 3 equally God!

believing in 3 Gods would make me a Mormon!

You are holding to a Catholic Doctrine established at Nicea in 325! Good for you. However, by what you said you sounded like a mormon by seperating Jesus out from the entirety of the Godhead at the incarnation.

 

[The Biblicist]

You are holding to a Catholic Doctrine established at Nicea in 325! Good for you. However, by what you said you sounded like a mormon by seperating Jesus out from the entirety of the Godhead at the incarnation.

It is established in the Scriptures and it was confirmed with even the term "trinity" by a Montanist - Tertullian long before Nicea.

 

[Yeshua1]

It is established in the Scriptures and it was confirmed with even the term "trinity" by a Montanist - Tertullian long before Nicea.

Think that the Apostles realised that in their own lifetimes, as peter and paul address jesus and the Holy Spirit as being God, along with the father of the lord jesus!