Mass amnesty and more illegal immigration

[JonC]

No, I am not. I, as a voter, look at voting differently than you, as a non-voter, do.

Ok....IF one votes for Harris how do they exclude her stated plan from that vote?

A major part of her platform is requiring states and hospitals to perform abortion as birth control.

How exactly are you planning on supporting her but not supporting what she states she will do???

You can't. The reason is you would be supporting her yo be elected as POTUS.

I look at voting as a Christian, so I'm sure we don't look at it the same. I have to decide what I will and will not support.

 

[KenH]

He is our Reward. But that does not negate other passages.

I have all spiritual blessings in Christ - Ephesians 1:3. There are no other spiritual blessings to be had for God's elect outside of those in Christ, none to be subtracted, none to be added.

 

[KenH]

Ok....IF one votes for Harris how do they exclude her stated plan from that vote?

As I already wrote, I, as a voter, look at voting differently than you, as a non-voter, do.

Since, obviously, Grover Cleveland is not on the ballot this November as the candidate of one of the major parties, I am clearly not going to get the policies that I want - not at all.

I should probably add to the odds I listed earlier. In addition to the odds of me voting for Harris at 2/1, and the odds of me not voting at all at 5/2, the odds of me voting for the Libertarian Party candidate, Chase Oliver, I would put at 10/1. I would have to overcome my dislike for the Mises Caucus and the current chairwoman, and the destruction they have wrought, and continue to do, in the Libertarian Party, to pretty much make it into an advocacy organization and not a political party after 50 years.

 

[Mikoo]

You seem to enjoy asking questions, let's see if you can answer one. I stated my positions on transgenderism and three areas of the abortion issue. What are your positions on those issues that I addressed?

Nope. Don't enjoy it. Just asking more questions based on your stated positions. This isn't about my positions.
So what you believe/support as 'a minarchist classical liberal libertarian' is how you make your decisions on these matters? So what you believe/support as a born-again child of God, Christian, gets set aside/ignored?

 

[Mikoo]

I would not assume that I will even vote in this election. I am a homebody and I pretty much only leave the house when I need to. Voting is not something that I feel a need to do. So the inertia of being a homebody could win out. If I was putting it in terms of odds, I would say that the odds of me voting for Harris are 2/1 and of not voting being not far behind at 5/2.

Another dodge of of the 'whole' of what I wrote. But, I understand.

 

[Mikoo]

I don't understand what you want me to respond to. I don't see a question in what you wrote.

I get it. You agree with what I wrote.

 

[Mikoo]

Now you are being dishonest.

You wrote that you would be supporting Harris.

This means that you would be supporting Harris in this election to be elected as POTUS.

This means that you would be actively giving your vote to support the things Harris stated that she would do.

This includes requiring states and hospitals to provide abortions as a means of birth control.

This includes allowing parents to transition their pre-teen children.

This includes the government paying for transition surgeries in many cases.

This includes requiring insurance to cover gender transition.

This includes using the federal government as the arbitration of "truth" in censoring free speech.

This includes expanding the federal government.


You don't get to split your vote between policies. You would be voting for the whole of her plan just as those who vote for Trump would be voting for the whole of his plan.

You are absolutely correct. He is either ignorant of what you have been trying to tell him, or it is being done on purpose, which is even worse.

 

[Mikoo]

He is our Reward. But that does not negate other passages.



As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth.

He will just respond to you with what you have been writing, by ignoring what God's Word says. Apparently, he sets aside his Christian beliefs when it comes to voting. Notice he quotes men in his justification for 'looking at voting differently'.

 

[KenH]

Just asking more questions based on your stated positions. This isn't about my positions.

Unless you answer my question about your positions, I will no longer be answering your questions on the subject of government power vis-a-vis transgenderism and abortion.

 

[KenH]

I get it. You agree with what I wrote.

 

[JonC]

I have all spiritual blessings in Christ - Ephesians 1:3. There are no other spiritual blessings to be had for God's elect outside of those in Christ, none to be subtracted, none to be added.

You do.

But Scripture still states that you will be judged by God for your actions and words.

Scripture still states that some will escape with their lives but only as one escapes a fire.


You seem to want to believe some passages while denying other passages. But it is ALL words of God.

I agree with what you affirm (our life in Christ, our spiritual blessings, our salvation). BUT I also believe those passages you have rejected.

 

[JonC]

As I already wrote, I, as a voter, look at voting differently than you, as a non-voter, do.

Since, obviously, Grover Cleveland is not on the ballot this November as the candidate of one of the major parties, I am clearly not going to get the policies that I want - not at all.

I should probably add to the odds I listed earlier. In addition to the odds of me voting for Harris at 2/1, and the odds of me not voting at all at 5/2, the odds of me voting for the Libertarian Party candidate, Chase Oliver, I would put at 10/1. I would have to overcome my dislike for the Mises Caucus and the current chairwoman, and the destruction they have wrought, and continue to do, in the Libertarian Party, to pretty much make it into an advocacy organization and not a political party after 50 years.

It does not matter how you look at voting.

The fact is if you support a candidate for an office then you are supporting what that candidate says he or she will do if elected by your support as you are actively trying to get that person in office.

You stated that you don't like abortion, but that you will actively support the government requiring states and hospitals to provide abortions as a means of birth control by voting for that platform.

You stated that you are opposed to big government but will actively support a platform that will expand the powers of the federal government by voting for that platform.

You stated no opinion on the government allowing parents to gender transition their pre-teen children, but will support allowing platform in favor of doing so by your vote.


Look....I can say I am opposed to something all I want, but if I actively support that something then it has my support regardless of what I think.


A bunch of people don't like Trump but will vote for him because they are more concerned with Harris' platform. They don't like Trump, but regardless of what they like, if they vote for him they are supporting him with their vote.

 

[KenH]

But Scripture still states that you will be judged by God for your actions and words.

God has already judged me in Christ. Period.

 

[KenH]

You stated no opinion on the government allowing parents to gender transition their pre-teen children

Which part of "I do not think that transgender surgery should take place before a person reaches the age of majority, which in all but three states is 18 years of age; in Alabama and Nebraska, the age is 19; in Mississippi, the age is 21" did you not understand when I wrote that earlier, in this seemingly never-ending thread? So, just to help you out, I do not think that state governments should allow transgender surgery to take place before a person reaches the age of majority. The federal government has no Constitutional warrant to be involved in the issue.

 

[JonC]

God has already judged me in Christ. Period.

Why do you think Peter told Christians that God would judge them by their works?

Hint: Peter was not talking about salvation - some will escape with their lives as one who escapes a fire.

Your problem here is with God. What God has said simply does not fit into your theology.

 

[JonC]

Which part of "I do not think that transgender surgery should take place before a person reaches the age of majority, which in all but three states is 18 years of age; in Alabama and Nebraska, the age is 19; in Mississippi, the age is 21" did you not understand when I wrote that earlier, in this seemingly never-ending thread? So, just to help you out, I do not think that state governments should allow transgender surgery to take place before a person reaches the age of majority. The federal government has no Constitutional warrant to be involved in the issue.

Which part of "support" versus what you "think" escapes your comprehension?

I know you, like me, don't believe minors should have transition surgery. These kids are still developing, mentally and physically. Too many have come to regret their decision to transition.

I know you, like me, are opposed to abortion as birth control. It is not only irresponsible but it is also murdering a child.

But the difference is not what you thi know about these topics.

You stated that you would actively support the government requiring hospitals and states to perform abortion as birth control through voting for a candidate that has promised to do this if elected (the platform you said you support).

You stated that you would actively support parents rights to transition pre-teen children by supporting that platform.


The reason you gave for supporting those things you do not like is that it includes support for a couple of political things you do like.


So stop switching words. I DO NOT care what a person thinks near as much as I care about what they do.

Who cares if you think those are bad ideas if you will support those things anyway?


It sounds like you are talking about willful sin - supporting something you believe is wrong to get something political you like and justifying that decision by denying God's Word about Christian accountability.

 

[KenH]

Why do you think Peter told Christians that God would judge them by their works?

All of the works have God's elect have been judged - by God in Christ by having all of their sins imputed to Christ and He paid their sin debt at the cross. Christ also fulfilled all of the works of the law perfectly on behalf of God's elect, and His perfect obedience, His righteousness, is imputed to them.

 

[KenH]

supporting something you believe is wrong to get something political you like

Since there is no perfect political candidate on the ballot - never has been and never will be - the only alternative would be not to vote at all, in order to avoid the quandary that you present.

 

[KenH]

Your problem here is with God.

No. God has a problem with me, and all human beings, not the other way around. And, praise Him, He reconciled all of His elect to Him through Christ by His free, sovereign grace.

 

[KenH]

I know you, like me, don't believe minors should have transition surgery.

Good, we agree. Seems to me that you should move on from the subject, then.