Mass amnesty and more illegal immigration

[Mikoo]

I haven't voted at all at this point. November 5 is still 7 weeks away. I don't know what will happen over the next 7 weeks. Preferably, Christ would return and put an end to this present heavens and earth and replace it with the new heavens and earth wherein dwells righteousness. But the Bible does not say on what date Christ will return. So I wait expectantly.

You have been writing negatively about Trump. You wrote that you will vote for Harris. Was that God's will through your prayers that you vote for Harris?

Your reluctance to actually answer the questions is telling.

 

[Mikoo]

There is no warrant in the U.S. Constitution for the federal government to be involved in the issue of abortion or the issue of transgenderism(or just about any other issue). Thus, those issues that the federal government has not been given explicit power by the U.S. Constitution to be involved in are left up to the individual states(unless expressly prohibited to the states by the U.S. Constitution) and their state constitutions, or to the people.

The Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

You answered the question from someone on abortion and transgender surgeries. I am again just asking for clarification.
So does that mean you support abortion when not used as a means for birth control?
So does that mean you you support transgender surgeries on anyone, young or old, as long as they are not forced?
Your reluctance to actually answer the questions is telling.

 

[KenH]

Was that God's will through your prayers that you vote for Harris?

If I vote for Vice President Harris in the 2024 general election, then it will be because God ordained it, just as if anyone votes for Harris or Donald Trump or Jill Stein, or Chase Oliver, or any candidate, in any electoral race, it will be because God ordained it. God ordained ALL things.

"Supralapsarianism is the doctrine that the events of history were brought about by God for no other reason other than these events are a fulfillment of His decree to glorify Himself and that these events are brought about as a means to an end. This is also known as Absolute Predestination. In other words, God decreed all the events of the world including the fall of men, redemption, damnation, every drop of rain, every word uttered by men, and every grunt made by beast all before the foundation of the world in order to bring about His desired result. I believe that God predestined His elect to fall in Adam so that they would be saved in Christ."

- rest of article at Confession of a Hyper-Calvinist - Brandan Kraft

 

[KenH]

So does that mean you support abortion when not used as a means for birth control?
So does that mean you you support transgender surgeries on anyone, young or old, as long as they are not forced?

1) I do not think that transgender surgery should take place before a person reaches the age of majority, which in all but three states is 18 years of age; in Alabama and Nebraska, the age is 19; in Mississippi, the age is 21. I do not think that state governments should have the power to use force on adults in the areas of transgenderism, fornication, shacking up, etc.

2) I think that state governments can have the power, depending on each states' constitution, to limit abortions when abortions are used as a means of birth control. There are other methods available to use for birth control, over which state governments should not have power.

I do not think that state governments should have the power to deny abortions when necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman, or when difficulties during pregnancy would endanger a pregnant woman's ability to conceive in the future.

There are difficulties concerning the awful issues of rape and incest, especially when concerning teenage girls. I respect the stances taken by both sides in this area. Personally, as a minarchist classical liberal libertarian, who wants to generally greatly restrict the power of governments on all levels, I would prefer(but not dogmatically so) that state governments stay out of these situations and allow those affected by these awful acts the latitude to deal with the issue as best they can in their individual situations.

 

[Logos1560]

Even some of Biden's legal immigration programs are questionable, permitting gang members to enter the U.S.

Biden-Harris admin’s signature immigration programs let in 1.3 million migrants — including gang members and terror suspects (msn.com)

 

[Mikoo]

If I vote for Vice President Harris in the 2024 general election, then it will be because God ordained it, just as if anyone votes for Harris or Donald Trump or Jill Stein, or Chase Oliver, or any candidate, in any electoral race, it will be because God ordained it. God ordained ALL things.

"Supralapsarianism is the doctrine that the events of history were brought about by God for no other reason other than these events are a fulfillment of His decree to glorify Himself and that these events are brought about as a means to an end. This is also known as Absolute Predestination. In other words, God decreed all the events of the world including the fall of men, redemption, damnation, every drop of rain, every word uttered by men, and every grunt made by beast all before the foundation of the world in order to bring about His desired result. I believe that God predestined His elect to fall in Adam so that they would be saved in Christ."

- rest of article at Confession of a Hyper-Calvinist - Brandan Kraft

Well, not if, when. You already said you were supporting and voting Harris. You said it will be God's will above. I love the way you are trying to justify it by saying it 'will' be God's will if you vote for Harris. I believe that whoever is elected President will be who God wanted. So as a Christian, you will vote for Harris, even knowing the horrible anti-Christian beliefs she supports and promotes. So I guess you will justify your vote at the Judgement, "I was just helping you accomplish Your will by voting for those things which are sin.'

I have no respect for "Christians' that quote men instead of God's Word when they do things against the Word of God.

 

[KenH]

So I guess you will justify your vote at the Judgement

I won't have to justify anything at the Judgment. God has already judged me in Christ and His finished work on my behalf, in His life, death, and resurrection. It is those whom God reprobated before the world began that will judged by their works and be condemned for eternity, not God's elect, chosen before the world began and given to Christ, their Surety, all of their sins having been imputed to Him and His perfect righteousness having been imputed to them.

Anyone who is judged by their works at the Judgment cannot be anything but condemned for eternity.

 

[Mikoo]

1) I do not think that transgender surgery should take place before a person reaches the age of majority, which in all but three states is 18 years of age; in Alabama and Nebraska, the age is 19; in Mississippi, the age is 21. I do not think that state governments should have the power to use force on adults in the areas of transgenderism, fornication, shacking up, etc.

So you prayed about this issue and this is what you came up with?

2) I think that state governments can have the power, depending on each states' constitution, to limit abortions when abortions are used as a means of birth control. There are other methods available to use for birth control, over which state governments should not have power.

Why do you believe murdering a baby in the womb is wrong for birth control?


I do not think that state governments should have the power to deny abortions when necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman,

And when would it be necessary to murder the baby in the womb to save the life of the mother?

or when difficulties during pregnancy would endanger a pregnant woman's ability to conceive in the future.

So you believe that murdering a baby in the mother's womb is ok if it is possible she may not be able to have another child in the future. So murder the current baby now to possibly have babies in the future. Got it.

There are difficulties concerning the awful issues of rape and incest, especially when concerning teenage girls. I respect the stances taken by both sides in this area.

Okay.

Personally, as a minarchist classical liberal libertarian, who wants to generally greatly restrict the power of governments on all levels, I would prefer(but not dogmatically so) that state governments stay out of these situations and allow those affected by these awful acts the latitude to deal with the issue as best they can in their individual situations.

So what you believe/support as 'a minarchist classical liberal libertarian' is how you make your decisions on these matters. So what you believe/support as a born-again child of God, Christian, gets set aside/ignored.
Got it.

 

[Mikoo]

I won't have to justify anything at the Judgment. God has already judged me in Christ and His finished work on my behalf, in His life, death, and resurrection. It is those whom God reprobated before the world began that will judged by their works and be condemned for eternity, not God's elect, chosen before the world began and given to Christ, their Surety, all of their sins having been imputed to Him and His perfect righteousness having been imputed to them.

Anyone who is judged by their works at the Judgment cannot be anything but condemned for eternity.

Another nice dodge. Matthew 7:21-25

I noticed you didn't respond to all that I wrote: Again:
Well, not if, when. You already said you were supporting and voting Harris. You said it will be God's will above. I love the way you are trying to justify it by saying it 'will' be God's will if you vote for Harris. I believe that whoever is elected President will be who God wanted. So as a Christian, you will vote for Harris, even knowing the horrible anti-Christian beliefs she supports and promotes. ...'

 

[KenH]

Well, not if, when.

I would not assume that I will even vote in this election. I am a homebody and I pretty much only leave the house when I need to. Voting is not something that I feel a need to do. So the inertia of being a homebody could win out. If I was putting it in terms of odds, I would say that the odds of me voting for Harris are 2/1 and of not voting being not far behind at 5/2.

 

[KenH]

So what you believe/support as 'a minarchist classical liberal libertarian' is how you make your decisions on these matters. So what you believe/support as a born-again child of God, Christian, gets set aside/ignored.
Got it.

You seem to enjoy asking questions, let's see if you can answer one. I stated my positions on transgenderism and three areas of the abortion issue. What are your positions on those issues that I addressed?

 

[KenH]

I noticed you didn't respond to all that I wrote: Again:
Well, not if, when. You already said you were supporting and voting Harris. You said it will be God's will above. I love the way you are trying to justify it by saying it 'will' be God's will if you vote for Harris. I believe that whoever is elected President will be who God wanted. So as a Christian, you will vote for Harris, even knowing the horrible anti-Christian beliefs she supports and promotes. ...'

I don't understand what you want me to respond to. I don't see a question in what you wrote.

 

[JonC]

I won't have to justify anything at the Judgment. God has already judged me in Christ and His finished work on my behalf, in His life, death, and resurrection. It is those whom God reprobated before the world began that will judged by their works and be condemned for eternity, not God's elect, chosen before the world began and given to Christ, their Surety, all of their sins having been imputed to Him and His perfect righteousness having been imputed to them.

Anyone who is judged by their works at the Judgment cannot be anything but condemned for eternity.

You are mixing up two different things.

1. Scripture tells is that we (believers) will be held accountable for our words and actions.

2. Scripture states that some will escape but as one who escapes a fire while.

3. Peter insists that we, who are children of God, will be judged by God and therefore should conduct our lives accordingly.


You are conflating being judged here with salvation.


Reading @Mikoo 's posts, I don't see a question as much as a verification of what you have posted.

You are leaning towards supporting a platform that states it will require all states and hospitals to perform abortions as a birth control measure, that states it will pay for gender transition in many cases and will support parents who want to gender transition their pre-teen children, advocates for restricting free speech and having the federal government determine what is "true", and seeks to expand the federal government.

The reason you may support those things is that there are a couple of political issues where you believe that platform will do better. One is the military. I can't remember the other.

 

[KenH]

You are mixing up two different things.

We have already gone round and round over your mercenary idea of rewards, and I have no desire to plow the same ground over again in this thread.

 

[KenH]

You are leaning towards supporting a platform that states it will require all states and hospitals to perform abortions as a birth control measure, that states it will pay for gender transition in many cases and will support parents who want to gender transition their pre-teen children, advocates for restricting free speech and having the federal government determine what is "true", and seeks to expand the federal government.

There is nothing that I wrote in explaining my positions on transgenderism and abortion that says anything at all that you are accusing me of saying.

 

[JonC]

We have already gone round and round over your mercenary idea of rewards, and I have no desire to plow the same ground over again in this thread.

Those were actually passages that did not fit into your theology.

 

[KenH]

Those were actually passages that did not fit into your theology

Christ is my "exceeding great reward" (Genesis 15:1). I am more than satisfied with Christ as my reward, and I desire no other.

 

[JonC]

There is nothing that I wrote in explaining my positions on transgenderism and abortion that says anything at all that you are accusing me of saying.

Now you are being dishonest.

You wrote that you would be supporting Harris.

This means that you would be supporting Harris in this election to be elected as POTUS.

This means that you would be actively giving your vote to support the things Harris stated that she would do.

This includes requiring states and hospitals to provide abortions as a means of birth control.

This includes allowing parents to transition their pre-teen children.

This includes the government paying for transition surgeries in many cases.

This includes requiring insurance to cover gender transition.

This includes using the federal government as the arbitration of "truth" in censoring free speech.

This includes expanding the federal government.


You don't get to split your vote between policies. You would be voting for the whole of her plan just as those who vote for Trump would be voting for the whole of his plan.

 

[JonC]

Christ is my "exceeding great reward" (Genesis 15:1). I am more than satisfied with Christ as my reward, and I desire no other.

He is our Reward. But that does not negate other passages.



As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth.

 

[KenH]

Now you are being dishonest.

No, I am not. I, as a voter, look at voting differently than you, as a non-voter, do.