Mass amnesty and more illegal immigration

[KenH]

Voting isn't. I agree.

But supporting the things that are opposed to God is wrong.

For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.


I do not believe that one who is saved will knowingly oppose God under the error it doesn't matter because they are saved. These are among those who will say "Lord, Lord...." to hear "I never knew you".

I am not saying this is you, but Scripture indicates it will be many.

Since you have said that you don't vote, maybe you should just sit out discussions of how other people vote, especially if you are going to be judgmental about how they vote. If you are just going to sit on the porch, maybe just keep your discussing to the porch.

 

[JonC]

Since you have said that you don't vote, maybe you should just sit out discussions of how other people vote, especially if you are going to be judgmental about how they vote. If you are just going to sit on the porch, maybe just keep your discussing on the porch.

I can't because I am Christian.

A lot of issues are only political (economics, immigration, big government vs smaller government, for example). I have opinions on these, but only discuss them as a hobby.

But some issues also carry serious spiritual implications.

You are telling us that while intellectually opposed to them you will still support things like abortion and gender changing surgeries for minors.

This is saying that while a Christian you will oppose God and choose to support immoral things if doing so will advance your political views.

That is putting your hand to the plow and looking back, allowing the concerns of this world to strangle the seed that has grown.


Now....if we were just talking politics then I'd be discussing pros and cons of each political platform. Both Democrats and Republicans have good political points, and we typically benefit by a blend of each.


BUT we are talking about spiritual issues as well.

We are talking about whether a Christian should support killing unborn children if that means advancing political views they value.

We are talking about whether a Christian should support subjecting children to gender changing surgeries if that means advancing political views they value.


If Harris did not support demonic/anti-Christ actions and agendas then I believe a Christian could vote either way.

 

[KenH]

I look at issues through the lens of the size, reach, and scope of government.

I also don't think that any level of government should be banning fornication. Does that mean that I support fornication? NO!!!!

Seems to me that to be consistent, Jon, that you should be promoting the idea of the government banning fornication.

 

[JonC]

I support no such things.

You SAID you are against abortion but would support abortion by voting for a candidate who is running to make the federal government require states to perform abortion.

That is not a minor part of Harris' platform.


Look, you can say you are against adultry, but if you pay for a hotel room for the guy who mows your lawn to have an affair because you like how he mows your grass then you are supporting adultry.


You cannot support putting Harris into office without supporting what Harris says she will do when elected.

You are saying you will support abortion even if you find the idea of abortion wrong.

 

[KenH]

You SAID you are against abortion but would support abortion by voting for a candidate who is running to make the federal government require states to perform abortion.

That is not a minor part of Harris' platform.


Look, you can say you are against adultry, but if you pay for a hotel room for the guy who mows your lawn to have an affair because you like how he mows your grass then you are supporting adultry.


You cannot support putting Harris into office without supporting what Harris says she will do when elected.

You are saying you will support abortion even if you find the idea of abortion wrong.

I get it, Jon. You don't vote, so you just sit in your rocker on the porch and throw brickbats at people that do vote. I think that you are acting despicably in doing so.

 

[KenH]

Look, you can say you are against adultry, but if you pay for a hotel room for the guy who mows your lawn to have an affair because you like how he mows your grass then you are supporting adultry.

Huh? Are you saying that before I paid the man that trimmed my trees today that I should have found out what he planned to do with the money I paid him before I paid him????

 

[KenH]

You are saying you will support abortion even if you find the idea of abortion wrong.

Seems to me that to be consistent, Jon, that you should be promoting the idea of the government banning fornication. If you are not doing so, to use your reasoning, you are supporting fornication.

 

[JonC]

I look at issues through the lens of the size, reach, and scope of government.

I also don't think that any level of government should be banning fornication. Does that mean that I support fornication? NO!!!!

Seems to me that to be consistent, Jon, that you should be promoting the idea of the government banning fornication.

No. That is incorrect.

Harris stated that she supports abortion as a right and will make every allow abortions because it is the right of a mother to kill their child.

Harris' position is that hospitals will have to provide abortions because abortion is a right.

That is what you are supporting.

I get you don't like the idea of abortion. But at the same time that is what you will be supporting.

Same with gender transition surgeries for minors. You might disagree with the idea, but this is what you ate talking about supporting.


There is a difference about saying what you believe and showing that you believe by your actions. When there is a conflict what you do betrays what you say you believe.

 

[JonC]

Huh? Are you saying that before I paid the man that trimmed my trees today that I should have found out what he planned to do with the money I paid him before I paid him????

No. I'm saying the man asked you to pay for the room so he could have an affair.

Harris has already told you what she would do if elected. You are good with that and said you will support her election.

Like it or not that means you will support what she said she will do if elected.

 

[KenH]

So what are doing to get the government to ban fornication, Jon? Of course, I am assuming that you are opposed to fornication.

 

[KenH]

No. That is incorrect.

Harris stated that she supports abortion as a right and will make every allow abortions because it is the right of a mother to kill their child.

Harris' position is that hospitals will have to provide abortions because abortion is a right.

That is what you are supporting.

I get you don't like the idea of abortion. But at the same time that is what you will be supporting.

Same with gender transition surgeries for minors. You might disagree with the idea, but this is what you ate talking about supporting.


There is a difference about saying what you believe and showing that you believe by your actions. When there is a conflict what you do betrays what you say you believe.

You seem to enjoy sitting in your rocker on the porch and throwing brickbat after brickbat at people who vote, while you sit there on your porch all smug and judgmental. I think you would have made a really "good" Pharisee, Jon, back during Jesus's time on this earth.

 

[JonC]

You seem to enjoy sitting in your rocker on the porch and throwing brickbat after brickbat at people who vote, while you sit there on your porch all smug and judgmental. I think you would have made a really "good" Pharisee, Jon, back during Jesus's time on this earth.

Now you are being carried away by your emotions. I state fact and my belief. You feel I am being smug and judgmental.

I am not being smug at all. And the judgment isn't mine.

Look...I get that you want to make abortion a human right protected by the federal government and allow people to decide.

I agree we can't legislate morality.

I don't care if an adult wants to transition. But these children have no voice. These children you support being abused, these children you support being murdered, cannot defend or speak for themselves.

"What you do to the least of these" is the principle.

You say you will support allowing mothers kill their children.

You say you will support allowing parents have their children transition to another gender.

That is what you support, whether you like those things or not.

 

[KenH]

You say you will support allowing mothers kill their children.

You say you will support allowing parents have their children transition to another gender.

I said no such thing. And you know it, Jon. Your actions are despicable. The other moderators really need to bring you to heel.

 

[JonC]

I said no such thing. And you know it, Jon. Your actions are despicable. The other moderators really need to bring you to heel.

No. My words are correct (notice, I reworded them).

You will support the government allowing mothers to kill their children.

You will support the government allowing parents to gender transition their minor children.

That is EXACTLY what you said you will do by supporting Harris.

Why?

Because Harris said that, of elected, she will make sure mothers are allowed to kill their children (abortion) and she will allow parents to have gender transition procedures for their children.


Saying you support Harris but not what she says she will do if elected is nonsense.

 

[KenH]

@JonC, since you refuse to name what actions you have done to support government banning fornication, then you, by your own reasoning, support allowing fornication to take place.

 

[KenH]

You will support

I support restricting the power of government, especially the federal government, to this:

1) The military power.
2) The police power.
3) The courts.

 

[JonC]

@JonC, since you refuse to name what actions you have done to support government banning fornication, then you, by your own reasoning, support allowing fornication to take place.

I do not believe the government should ban fornication. I believe that the government should not allow a mother to kill their child and should not allow parents to gender transition their minor children. With the government I am pretty much libertarian.

BUT here we are talking about allowing children to be abused and killed. This is not the same as allowing fornication.



Harris says if elected she will make sure mothers can kill their children and make sure parents can gender transition their minor children.

You say that you will support this.

You may not like it, but you will support it.

 

[KenH]

Saying you support Harris but not what she says she will do if elected is nonsense.

You can make the same charge to anyone who votes for any candidate for public office. It is the height of arrogance for you to sit in your rocking chair on the porch and throw brickbats at people who vote [I assume what you are accusing me of, that you would also accuse Trump supporters of doing on this or that issue(s)], while sitting there all smug and judgmental toward people who vote. Like I said, Jon, you would have made a really "good" Pharisee back during Jesus's time on this earth.

 

[JonC]

I support restricting the power of government, especially the federal government, to this:

1) The military power.
2) The police power.
3) The courts.

I do not care about the political reasons for supporting what Harris says she will do.

I am talking about you supporting the government allowing mothers to kill their children and the government allowing parents to gender transition their minor children.

You indicate that you will support Harris' plan because #1-3 are more important to you.

Your mistake is pretending you can support Harris without supporting what she says she will do.

 

[KenH]

You say that you will support this.

I do not support abortion as a means of birth control. I do not support forced transgender surgeries on anybody, young or old.