Matt. 23:13 (again!)

[Van]

Yet another misrepresentation of the facts. Here once again is the truth: the milk of the gospel of Christ is the revelation of God through the ministry of the Holy Spirit who inspired all scripture. Paul spoke to new Christians as "men of flesh" using spiritual milk, thus teaching men of flesh can receive spiritual milk, 1 Cor. 2:14-3:3. My view is consistent with all scripture, I do not need to nullify the fact fallen people were in the process of entering heaven (Matthew 23:13) something the man-made doctrine of total spiritual inability denies.

The issue is the bogus claim that natural men of flesh cannot receive the milk of the gospel. And that claim has been shown to be bogus.

1) No verse or passage, contextually considered supports "total spiritual inability" but rather "limited spiritual ability" the ability to receive spiritual milk, the gospel of Christ.
2) Many examples are given in scripture, such as Matthew 13:1-23, Matthew 23:13, Romans 9:30-33 where fallen people seek God .
3) Jesus would not have needed to speak in parables if "total spiritual inability" were true.
4) God would not have need to harden hearts (Romans 11) if "total spiritual inability" were true.​

 

[Darrell C]

Yet another misrepresentation of the facts. Here once again is the truth: the milk of the gospel of Christ is the revelation of God through the ministry of the Holy Spirit who inspired all scripture. Paul spoke to new Christians as "men of flesh" using spiritual milk, thus teaching men of flesh can receive spiritual milk, 1 Cor. 2:14-3:3. My view is consistent with all scripture, I do not need to nullify the fact fallen people were in the process of entering heaven (Matthew 23:13) something the man-made doctrine of total spiritual inability denies.

The issue is the bogus claim that natural men of flesh cannot receive the milk of the gospel. And that claim has been shown to be bogus.

1) No verse or passage, contextually considered supports "total spiritual inability" but rather "limited spiritual ability" the ability to receive spiritual milk, the gospel of Christ.
2) Many examples are given in scripture, such as Matthew 13:1-23, Matthew 23:13, Romans 9:30-33 where fallen people seek God .
3) Jesus would not have needed to speak in parables if "total spiritual inability" were true.
4) God would not have need to harden hearts (Romans 11) if "total spiritual inability" were true.​

You feel that Christ's teaching that the Comforter would convict the world of sin is a "misrepresentation of the facts?"

Perhaps you could explain to me what is in view in John 16:7-9 then?


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

The issue is the bogus claim that natural men of flesh cannot receive the milk of the gospel.

Not sure why you repeat this when I have just said this is not my claim.

You are ignoring the very simple fact that natural men have the truth revealed to them by God (which has been true in every Age), and instead, try to impose an ability into men that does not exist.


God bless.

 

[Van]

More absurdity, more effort to change the subject. Matthew 23:13 has fallen men of flesh entering heaven until blocked by false teachers. According to the bogus doctrine of total spiritual inability, they could not have been seeking God. Now had they experienced God's special and general revelation? Of course. Had they been enabled to receive it because of irresistible grace? Of course not, they were blocked.
Thus sound reasoning dictates they were able to receive spiritual milk without being specifically altered.

Note the effort to claim revelation alters the person's ability to receive. Fiction. People with total spiritual inability are blind to the gospel. So they are running away from the DoG.

1) No verse or passage, contextually considered supports "total spiritual inability" but rather "limited spiritual ability" the ability to receive spiritual milk, the gospel of Christ.
2) Many examples are given in scripture, such as Matthew 13:1-23, Matthew 23:13, Romans 9:30-33 where fallen people seek God .
3) Jesus would not have needed to speak in parables if "total spiritual inability" were true.
4) God would not have need to harden hearts (Romans 11) if "total spiritual inability" were true.​

 

[SovereignGrace]

More absurdity, more effort to change the subject. Matthew 23:13 has fallen men of flesh entering heaven until blocked by false teachers. According to the bogus doctrine of total spiritual inability, they could not have been seeking God. Now had they experienced God's special and general revelation? Of course. Had they been enabled to receive it because of irresistible grace? Of course not, they were blocked.
Thus sound reasoning dictates they were able to receive spiritual milk without being specifically altered.

Note the effort to claim revelation alters the person's ability to receive. Fiction. People with total spiritual inability are blind to the gospel. So they are running away from the DoG.

1) No verse or passage, contextually considered supports "total spiritual inability" but rather "limited spiritual ability" the ability to receive spiritual milk, the gospel of Christ.
2) Many examples are given in scripture, such as Matthew 13:1-23, Matthew 23:13, Romans 9:30-33 where fallen people seek God .
3) Jesus would not have needed to speak in parables if "total spiritual inability" were true.
4) God would not have need to harden hearts (Romans 11) if "total spiritual inability" were true.​

You need a new needle Van. Your record is skipping and playing the same warped line over and over again. Sheesh!!

 

[Van]

Yet another off topic post from those desperately trying to seemingly hide the truth. They post obfuscation after obfuscation and charge me with being a broken record. So one more time post 125 is yet another effort to change the subject. Returning to topic:

Matthew 23:13 has fallen men of flesh entering heaven until blocked by false teachers. According to the bogus doctrine of total spiritual inability, they could not have been seeking God. Now had they experienced God's special and general revelation? Of course. Had they been enabled to receive it because of irresistible grace? Of course not, they were blocked.
Thus sound reasoning dictates they were able to receive spiritual milk without being specifically altered.
Note the effort to claim revelation alters the person's ability to receive. Fiction. People with total spiritual inability are blind to the gospel. So they are running away from the DoG.

1) No verse or passage, contextually considered supports "total spiritual inability" but rather "limited spiritual ability" the ability to receive spiritual milk, the gospel of Christ.
2) Many examples are given in scripture, such as Matthew 13:1-23, Matthew 23:13, Romans 9:30-33 where fallen people seek God .
3) Jesus would not have needed to speak in parables if "total spiritual inability" were true.
4) God would not have need to harden hearts (Romans 11) if "total spiritual inability" were true.​

 

[SovereignGrace]

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[SovereignGrace]

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[Van]

More effort to change the subject, and use personal attacks (logical fallacies) rather than scripture.

Note the effort to deny Matthew 23:13, saying it is Van and not Jesus saying people where entering heaven when blocked by false teachers. Just read it folks.