Matthew 7:21-23?

[SovereignGrace]

So as the lost go to Hades at death, they will be already suffering and aware of this. It is also clear from the Account in Luke 16, that once you are in Hades you cannot leave. In which case those in Matthew 7 cannot refer to after death

It seems both Matthew 7 and Luke 13 speak to the same event. Luke 16 speaks of death and the consequences of how we live it. So if Matthew 7:21-23 is not after death, where did He tell them to depart from His presence?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Oh, I agree with that, as that was never a point I was making. I’m just wondering why ppl who are in Hades seem to be caught off-guard by being told to depart from Him. Maybe it’s just them pleading for mercy? Someone said that, not ver batim, but does seem like a very plausible take on this subject.

As The Rich Man was

 

[SovereignGrace]

As The Rich Man was

Please expound this. I’m not sure what you’re meaning here. TIA

 

[SavedByGrace]

Please expound this. I’m not sure what you’re meaning here. TIA

Pleading for mercy as you said earlier

 

[FollowTheWay]

Yet in Jude 1 we see those who fell with Satan who are reserved for the day of judgment. So I don’t think anyone is truly judged until the last day.

I agree. I'm saying that we will experience the final judgement immediately after we die. In the timeless Kingdom of Heaven this is the same moment that someone who died in 65 B.C. or in 2075 AD will be judged.

 

[JesusFan]

I think the problem is we have a different perspective on the timing of the final judgment. I believe that as soon as we die we are immediately standing before Christ to be judged along with everyone who has ever lived. We are at that moment outside time in a timeless realm. Some will be surprised by their eternal destination for the reasons you gave.

Great White thrown Judgement happens at end of the Kingdom State, as next is the Eternal State!

 

[JesusFan]

I agree. I'm saying that we will experience the final judgement immediately after we die. In the timeless Kingdom of Heaven this is the same moment that someone who died in 65 B.C. or in 2075 AD will be judged.

We shall have a future Bhema Judgement, while the lost have a future Great White Thrown one!

 

[FollowTheWay]

Great White thrown Judgement happens at end of the Kingdom State, as next is the Eternal State!

There will be only one judgment as described in Mat. 24.

 

[JesusFan]

There will be only one judgment as described in Mat. 24.

Bhema seat and Great White Throne not same judgement