Medication vs 'Self" medicating

[freeatlast]

Answer my questions or put your unsubstantiated accusations to a permanent rest.

You've accused MANY of masking sin by your accusations, now get to substantiating it. You've been dogmatic, now give tangible proof.

So the drugs working for my 11 year old son, correcting an imbalance, and that are working, are masking his sin, correct?

I am not sure what you are saying about an imbalance. Are you saying he cannot stand up or walk without falling and needs medication to correct that? if so then his condition has no connection to behavior problems and you are talking apples and oranges and that has no connection to this thread.

 

[agedman]

Believing God is never a problem, but changing His word as You are doing is. Confession and forsaking is the way for dealing with sin, not drugs.

Why would you post what is untrue.

I have no problem using Scriptures, nor do I disagree with or change Scriptures.

I wonder if I should put my answer to you on a key so that it would take less strokes.

I agree that confessing and forsaking is the way of dealing with sin.

 

[freeatlast]

Allow me to post this again for the specific reason that freeatlast answer them all. He's the dogmatic expert naming others as masking sin, let him either answer or run away with a quip of an excuse. :wavey:

Any drug that hinders behavior masks sin. The only way to deal with sin which is a spiritual issue according to the bible is confession and forsaking.

 

[freeatlast]

Why would you post what is untrue.

I have no problem using Scriptures, nor do I disagree with or change Scriptures.

I wonder if I should put my answer to you on a key so that it would take less strokes.

I agree that confessing and forsaking is the way of dealing with sin.

Yes but you deny what is sin and that denies the bible. Any behavior problem is from sin (spiritual issue) and you deny that and claim some are medically induced.

 

[preacher4truth]

I am not sure what you are saying about an imbalance. Are you saying he cannot stand up or walk without falling and needs medication to correct that? if so then his condition has no connection to behavior problems and you are talking apples and oranges and that has no connection to this thread.

So now you're going to get smart alecked, right, pulling the he can't walk or stand up? I'm glad you have the protective measures of the internet to wax Pharisaical behind your monitor, but God see all and you'll answer for that.

You take joy in tackling a young boy with smart alecked responses, yes? What a man you are.

I guarantee you that you would never say such hateful mean spirited nonsense to my face if you have any sense at all. :love2:

My sons issues aside, answer the questions I supplied to you, and quit tucking tail.

The problem is, you can't answer them, and if you had to, it would severely damage your Pharisaical religion, then you'd be left to face yourself.

You're just a Pharisee sitting at your computer feeling you're one of the lone Christians in all the earth, while accusing others of 'rejecting the Bible', 'looking for an excuse to sin' along with your other nonsense accusations. None of your accusations are truth, the thing is, everything you say exposes the bad fruit you bear.

:wavey:

 

[preacher4truth]

Any drug that hinders behavior masks sin. The only way to deal with sin which is a spiritual issue according to the bible is confession and forsaking.

Name the drugs and the sins or put your accusations to a rest. :wavey:

 

[Arbo]

Agreed agedman.

Without the usual nonsense, or, put the nonsense to a permanent rest, I'd like a list, given the accusation of using drugs to mask sin by freeatlast including the following since such a dogmatic stand has been taken:

1) Which specific drugs are used to mask sin.

2) Which specific sins are being masked via this usage of these prescription drugs.

3) Biblical points showing that using prescription drugs are used for the purpose of masking sins and/or are in addition an excuse.

4) Substantial proof that these are seeking an excuse to sin as has been the accusation in many a thread.

5) The naming of the the specific disorders that are claimed by said persons in order for one to get on drugs and mask their sins.

6) An answer to all those who suffer any said disorders, who use meds for help, who are the accused as using meds for the purpose of masking sin, and substantial evidence that the person accusing has empirical evidence of those who have been taken off meds via their own expertise of counsel, Biblical support &c for these maladies and are no longer in need of any meds.

7) A list of forbidden drugs for their specific maladies which are for the purpose excuse to sin, and the exact sin they are continuing in by taking these medications.

My wife, a pharmd, would be quite interested in reading the answers to this with good, solid, Biblical and documentable proof.

Freeatlast- Answer or crawl back into your self-delusional, self-righteous hole.

OK, now I'm done.

 

[preacher4truth]

Freeatlast- Answer or crawl back into your self-delusional, self-righteous hole.

OK, now I'm done.

Yep. :wavey: :love2:

 

[freeatlast]

Freeatlast- Answer or crawl back into your self-delusional, self-righteous hole.

OK, now I'm done.

Drugs mask sin, but confession and forsaking sets the person free.

 

[Arbo]

Yep. :wavey: :love2:

He cannot do it. He's all talk with no substance.

 

[freeatlast]

Name the drugs and the sins or put your accusations to a rest. :wavey:

Any drug that hinders behavior masks sin. Some drugs heightened behavior and makes sin easier. All sin is a spiritual issue and the only biblical fix is confession and forsaking not drugs.

 

[preacher4truth]

He cannot do it. He's all talk with no substance.

Truth. He has yet to answer. Hey, if he does, let me know when he with specificity answers my questions, otherwise I am done with this thread.

:thumbs:

 

[preacher4truth]

Any drug that hinders behavior masks sin. Some drugs heightened behavior and makes sin easier. All sin is a spiritual issue and the only biblical fix is confession and forsaking not drugs.

Name the drug and the sin.

 

[agedman]

Yes but you deny what is sin and that denies the bible. Any behavior problem is from sin (spiritual issue) and you deny that and claim some are medically induced.

What "sin" have I denied?

Or have I denied what YOU want to claim is a sin?

I have not denied that behavior problems have at their root as sin; however, what you neglected, I also stated that there is lasting effects that the root, when confessed and forsaken, will still need dealt and may not be a spiritual problem.

I gave the example of one who has abused street drugs. The sin may be confessed and forsaken but the effects of the sin linger. The chemical imbalance that lingers may medical attention, as well as the spiritual counsel and growth.

I further stated that as spiritual growth occurs then some, with close Godly friendships to aid in monitoring, may elect to lessen the medication and even stop. The lingering effects of sin are not always cast away by confessing and forsaking.

 

[HankD]

There is no scientific evidence of any chemical imbalance. That false claim has been thrust on the public so as to justify the pushing of drugs. All behavior issues are from sin and confession and forsaking is the only cure.

I hope you are not making a blanket statement because if so I believe you are mistaken FAL.

I have a condition called Celiac disease, a progressive regenerative disease which worsens over time.

It is my body's inability to process gluten (which is found in wheat flour).
The result is a destruction of the villi in the lower GI.

The viili are what process the minerals we need to live, potassium, magnesium, etc.

When one has a deficiency of these minerals an imbalance occurs and there is/can be a behavioral change.

However my own personal believe is that if one sins while in an altered state one is still reponsible to God for sinning.

Anyway in my case the cure is easy - don't eat foods with gluten (not so easy for a pizza fan).

There are gluten free breads and flour products however.

Then there is diabetes, a hormonal imbalance, anemia, a serum iron imbalance, etc, etc...

HankD

 

[freeatlast]

He cannot do it. He's all talk with no substance.

The substance is the word of God. Show me one person in the bible that would be said to have a mental illness today and God said give them drugs. Every behavior in the bible calls for confession and forsaking not drugs.

 

[agedman]

Name the drug and the sin.

It occurs to me that he may be confusing street drugs with the medical oversight of a Godly professional.

 

[freeatlast]

I hope you are not making a blanket statement because if so I believe you are mistaken FAL.

I have a condition called Celiac disease, a progressive regenerative disease which worsens over time.

It is my body's inability to process gluten (which is found in wheat flour).
The result is a destruction of the villi in the lower GI.

The viili are what process the minerals we need to live, potassium, magnesium, etc.

When one has a deficiency of these minerals an imbalance occurs and there is/can be a behavioral change.

However my own personal believe is that if one sins while in an altered state one is still reponsible to God for sinning.

Anyway in my case the cure is easy - don't eat foods with gluten (not so easy for a pizza fan).

There are gluten free breads and flour products however.

Then there is diabetes, a hormonal imbalance, anemia, a serum iron imbalance, etc, etc...

HankD

No medical condition can make you sin. Sin is an issue of the heart, spirit/mind, and is dealt with by confession and forsaking. Sin is a spiritual issue not a medical one.

 

[freeatlast]

It occurs to me that he may be confusing street drugs with the medical oversight of a Godly professional.

No I am simply saying what the bible teaches. A godly medical professional would know what drugs mask behavior and confession and forsaking sets the person free.

 

[Amy.G]

No medical condition can make you sin. Sin is an issue of the heart, spirit/mind, and is dealt with by confession and forsaking. Sin is a spiritual issue not a medical one.

Of course sin is a spiritual issue. Good grief, who has said any different???? But YOU are saying that depression and mental illness is always a result of sin. THAT is where you are wrong! It CAN be, but not ALWAYS. Sometimes it has a physical root! Little children do not have mental issues because they have committed some sin! There are many children in this country alone who have mental illness because of their abusive parents. Why not lay the sin at the right door?

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