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Mental illness and the Baptist Chuch

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annsni

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http://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/mental-health-causes-mental-illness

Some mental illnesses have been linked to an abnormal balance of special chemicals in the brain called neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters help nerve cells in the brain communicate with each other. If these chemicals are out of balance or are not working properly, messages may not make it through the brain correctly, leading to symptoms of mental illness. In addition, defects in or injury to certain areas of the brain have also been linked to some mental conditions.

Other biological factors that may be involved in the development of mental illness include:

Genetics (heredity): Many mental illnesses run in families, suggesting that people who have a family member with a mental illness are more likely to develop one themselves. Susceptibility is passed on in families through genes. Experts believe many mental illnesses are linked to abnormalities in many genes -- not just one. That is why a person inherits a susceptibility to a mental illness and doesn't necessarily develop the illness. Mental illness itself occurs from the interaction of multiple genes and other factors --such as stress, abuse, or a traumatic event -- which can influence, or trigger, an illness in a person who has an inherited susceptibility to it.
Infections: Certain infections have been linked to brain damage and the development of mental illness or the worsening of its symptoms. For example, a condition known as pediatric autoimmune neuropsychiatric disorder (PANDA) associated with the Streptococcus bacteria has been linked to the development of obsessive-compulsive disorder and other mental illnesses in children.
Brain defects or injury: Defects in or injury to certain areas of the brain have also been linked to some mental illnesses.
Prenatal damage: Some evidence suggests that a disruption of early fetal brain development or trauma that occurs at the time of birth -- for example, loss of oxygen to the brain -- may be a factor in the development of certain conditions, such as autism.
Substance abuse: Long-term substance abuse, in particular, has been linked to anxiety, depression, and paranoia.
Other factors: Poor nutrition and exposure to toxins, such as lead, may play a role in the development of mental illnesses.
 

agedman

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The reason I brought up "chemical imbalance" is because every quack psychiatrist that tells his or her patient that they suffer from a mental illness will tell them it is because of a chemical imbalance in the brain."

And not one has any proof whatsoever that what they claim is true.

Doesn't mean that the diagnosis is false.

You are taking a lack of "physical proof" and medical folks rely far more than on the "test tube" for a diagnosis.

Much of the emotional/mental disorders are observational phenomena that maybe in a 100 years we might cure with "penicillin."

Until the 1928's, much quackery of electrical, mercurial, blistering... were done in the name of good medicine and then Fleming discovered penicillin. The list goes on with the discovery of x-ray, MRI using electromagnetic fields which Edison experimented, and on it continues.

Your own bias is as unsound as the those who placed hot cups on Thomas Jackson in hope of sucking out the bad blood. Foolish in our eyes using today's standards, yet all they could do in their eyes - try as they may.
 

Steadfast Fred

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Go to the doctor.

Ask if there is "definitive test" to show that your leg is broken. What will they do?

They may ex-ray, or MRI or catscan it. They may even examine outward signs and evident outbursts of emotion when the area is prodded.

But is there a blood or urine test for a broken leg?

There are for some mental illness. There are MRI scans that show the brain changes of certain mental disorders. Certain blood and urine tests also show various indicators.

As the medical and scientific community continue to improve testing procedures, the technology will help further diagnosis.

20 million children are labeled with "mental disorders" that are based solely on a checklist of behaviors. There are no brain scans, x-rays, genetic or blood tests that can prove they are mentally ill, yet these children are prescribed dangerous and life-threatening psychiatric drugs. Child drugging is a $4.8 billion-a-year industry.
 

annsni

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I have polycystic ovarian syndrome and there is no definitive test for that. I never took a test to say "yes, I have it" because there is none. Instead, the doctors looked at the symptoms and said "This is what you have". So I am on a medication that they accidentally found works for women with PCOS and you know what? It stops the symptoms. So while there was no definitive test for it - and there is no approved medication for it, I have it and take medicine that stops the symptoms. Does that mean my doctor should have his license taken away because he's prescribing medicine for a disorder that has no definitive test?
 

jaigner

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I have polycystic ovarian syndrome and there is no definitive test for that. I never took a test to say "yes, I have it" because there is none. Instead, the doctors looked at the symptoms and said "This is what you have". So I am on a medication that they accidentally found works for women with PCOS and you know what? It stops the symptoms. So while there was no definitive test for it - and there is no approved medication for it, I have it and take medicine that stops the symptoms. Does that mean my doctor should have his license taken away because he's prescribing medicine for a disorder that has no definitive test?

You're a sinner for taking that medicine. Your symptoms are your cross to bear as a sinful human.

Danged if you do...
 

agedman

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20 million children are labeled with "mental disorders" that are based solely on a checklist of behaviors. There are no brain scans, x-rays, genetic or blood tests that can prove they are mentally ill, yet these children are prescribed dangerous and life-threatening psychiatric drugs. Child drugging is a $4.8 billion-a-year industry.

Yep, and with less evidence the witches were burned at the stake in Salem. (sarcasm)

Are you arguing about the money, and what "life-threatening" psychiatric drugs?

Could you list them?

Perhaps they can actually be checked out for "life threatening?"

Of course have you read the warnings on tooth paste and aspirin?

Of course, if you would have admitted that you are a supporter of the CCHR then your discourse could have been more balanced.

I am all for a fully informed public, but I am not in favor of your bias and claims that you have posted.

For the folk's information, the CCHR has drawn attention to critical needs on an international level to the abuses and excesses that some take. Unlike the USA, some countries do not extend patient rights nor safety to the same level that the US has grown, especially since the 1970's.

But, there is no rational not to extend medical psychiatric help even if based upon observation anymore than it is not rational for a person to not wear corrective lenses merely because the diagnosis is solely observational.

Those who were glasses know the drill... Which is more clear *flip* of *flip* ...
 

Steadfast Fred

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I have polycystic ovarian syndrome and there is no definitive test for that. I never took a test to say "yes, I have it" because there is none. Instead, the doctors looked at the symptoms and said "This is what you have". So I am on a medication that they accidentally found works for women with PCOS and you know what? It stops the symptoms. So while there was no definitive test for it - and there is no approved medication for it, I have it and take medicine that stops the symptoms. Does that mean my doctor should have his license taken away because he's prescribing medicine for a disorder that has no definitive test?

Being well learned in the medical field, I can tell you right now that you are wrong to say there are no definitive tests for polycystic ovarian syndrome.

My medical books reveal the following tests that are done to establish the diagnosis:

Specific Tests: BHCG, Abdominal Ultrasound

Other Specific Tests include a biopsy of the ovary, estrogen levels, fasting glucose levels, insulin levels, LH levels, laparoscopy, male hormone levels, urin 17 -ketosteroids, prolactin levels, thyroid function tests.
 

annsni

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You're a sinner for taking that medicine. Your symptoms are your cross to bear as a sinful human.

Danged if you do...

LOL - Interestingly enough, taking this medicine makes me able to be fruitful and multiply. It's a diabetic medication (metformin)!! Had major infertility before I started taking it and now? Let's just say their names are Robby and Joanna. :saint:
 

annsni

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Being well learned in the medical field, I can tell you right now that you are wrong to say there are no definitive tests for polycystic ovarian syndrome.

My medical books reveal the following tests that are done to establish the diagnosis:

Specific Tests: BHCG, Abdominal Ultrasound

Other Specific Tests include a biopsy of the ovary, estrogen levels, fasting glucose levels, insulin levels, LH levels, laparoscopy, male hormone levels, urin 17 -ketosteroids, prolactin levels, thyroid function tests.

Yet each one of these could be negative and you can still have PCOS. The ONLY thing that definitively said anything in my case was cysts on the ovaries - and the other symptoms. All of my hormone levels are completely normal. Interesting, huh?

And yes, there are definitive tests for mental illness as well. Some might not be biological tests but many biological tests will show abnormalities that would confirm an issue. The girl that lived with us had an abnormal brain MRI and there was no question she had a mental illness. She's getting better now - 18 years later but it's not easy for her. She's found a good combination of medication so that she no longer hears voices in her head telling her to cut herself and she has held down a job for 6 years!
 

menageriekeeper

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Originally Posted by Scarlett O.
Brother, marrying your cousin in not inbreeding nor is it a sin. The Bible is clear about what constitutes incest. And first cousins do not make the list.

Don't beat yourself up over this.




Well, something has caused some serious genetic deformities in our family over several generations.

John

I too come from a family with a lot of branches but only a few roots. If the genes are bad in the beginning, multiple copies of the gene handed down increases the chances that the "bad" genes will surface causing all sorts of problems. Even 2 generations (maybe 3) from the last known cousin marriage mental illnesses of various types show up in almost half of my own 55+ cousins.

Let me clarify that I didn't marry my cousin, my parents didn't marry cousins and we don't believe (but aren't exactly certain) that my mother's parents weren't cousins. Before that? Well, so so very many roots. My children and the children of my cousins don't have nearly the incidence of mental illness as my mother's generation. About 2/3 of my mother's siblings suffered throughout the years from one form of mental illness or another. Generations before that were called "onery", "eccentric" and various other euphmisms for, "they aren't quite right".

Funnily enough, a few years ago I met the gggranddaughter of my ggrandfather's brother (got that?). not only do "eccentricities" abound throughout her line (her grandparents were cousins) but when you set our children side by side there are unmistakable similarities in appearance (her #6 and my #2 could have been brother and sister) and in personalities and her personality is very similar to that of some of my aunts. The genes will tell the tale sometimes.

Here is an article that explains this better than I:

http://discovermagazine.com/2003/aug/featkiss
 

Steadfast Fred

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Voices in the head telling her to kill herself????

You do know that satan comes to steal, kill and destroy, do you not?


Sounds like someone was given mind-altering drugs to calm demonic activity to me.
 

annsni

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Voices in the head telling her to kill herself????

You do know that satan comes to steal, kill and destroy, do you not?


Sounds like someone was given mind-altering drugs to calm demonic activity to me.

Because mind altering drugs affect demons?
 

agedman

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Voices in the head telling her to kill herself????

You do know that satan comes to steal, kill and destroy, do you not?


Sounds like someone was given mind-altering drugs to calm demonic activity to me.

Warning, a stake burner in the midst.

Are you an exerciser, too or is that an exorcism extortioner.

:flower:
 

menageriekeeper

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Well Steadfast, why don't you get yourself down to the local mental hospital and start casting out demons. You are a Christian right? Didn't God give us the ability to cast out demons? Go help these poor forsaken possessed folk. But until you do, until you find some specific spiritual critria for identifying a person possessed of a demon, don't criticize those of us who chose the route of medication, 'K?
 
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Steadfast Fred

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No - CUT herself. Different words.
give the demons an inch, they take a yard. Let alone, it wouldn't be long before the cuts got deeper and the damage worse and finally... death.

The demons are not being controlled by the drugs, the mind is. But the demons are still there.

You cannot correct a spiritual problem with drugs.

The weapons of our warfare are not carnal.
 

annsni

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Mind altering drugs alter the mind so that the person does not have the capability to think for himself or herself.

Take away those drugs and the demons will become active once again.

Psychiatric drugs have no affect on demons. Unless you are saying that mind altering drugs that make people well mean that "demons" are actually in their own mind. Then I will disagree with you again because I've seen demonic activity and it is not just in the person's mind.

This young woman did not have demons. We tried to cast out the demons and have done so in the past but there was no demonic activity in this woman.
 
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