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Aaron

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Then ate you involved to the point of interviewing the guy or gal? also what do you look for in a person & what wouldnt you accept?
When one speaks of membership, he is speaking of an office of which there are certain responsibilities and privileges, one of which is a say in how the church is governed.

Some churches have ranks of members, by which I mean that some are accepted as members, but may not teach or be given any other responsibilities for a certain time by which it is assumed anything too scandalous or disqualifying will have surfaced.

Do you just willy-nilly baptize people? Do you have no orientation or period of instruction by which the qualifications of the baptismal candidates are assertained?
 

JonC

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I think you are missing the point in a congregational church. From my experience, this voting is acknowledging the statement of faith (by the congregation in congregationally governed churches) and a commitment on the part of the congregation. Rather than saying “you believe, then come on in” some churches feel a need to make sure the person knows what they believe…and that it is the gospel. Like I said earlier, my church no longer does this, but growing up the congregation really did have responsibility in Baptist churches. I’ve never seen a congregation object to one’s statement of faith. But they (not a committee) really chose the pastor and voted on decisions of the church. From my experience, this “Baptist distinctiveness” really no longer exists in many Baptist churches (a committee really chooses the pastor, members are not affirmed by the congregation, changes are made by pastoral staff, etc. and the “vote” is merely a formality).
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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When one speaks of membership, he is speaking of an office of which there are certain responsibilities and privileges, one of which is a say in how the church is governed.

Some churches have ranks of members, by which I mean that some are accepted as members, but may not teach or be given any other responsibilities for a certain time by which it is assumed anything too scandalous or disqualifying will have surfaced.

Do you just willy-nilly baptize people? Do you have no orientation or period of instruction by which the qualifications of the baptismal candidates are assertained?

Up North......yes, absolutely. Thats more the standard.
 

Aaron

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Well, that's my point. Biblically, the congregation has the say in who joins. It is a vote however loosely and liberally it is cast.
 

JamesL

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When one speaks of membership, he is speaking of an office of which there are certain responsibilities and privileges, one of which is a say in how the church is governed.

Some churches have ranks of members, by which I mean that some are accepted as members, but may not teach or be given any other responsibilities for a certain time by which it is assumed anything too scandalous or disqualifying will have surfaced.
I think you're making a pretty bold assumption that the average congregation is full of mature, biblically sound believers. I don't think I'd agree.

I wonder what the church at Corinth might have considered too scandalous ? Maybe a man having his father's wife ?
Oh, wait. They openly accepted a guy like that and had to be rebuked for it

I'm not really in favor of an entire congregation having a majority say-so on anything spiritual. The reason is that the majority of any congregation is lacking in discernment, maturity, biblical knowledge.

The majority of genuine believers wouldn't know the difference between a wolf and an antelope
That's why there are pastors and elders to train, guide, protect


Do you just willy-nilly baptize people? Do you have no orientation or period of instruction by which the qualifications of the baptismal candidates are assertained?
That might depend on 2 things:
1) are we guided by scripture or our flesh?
I don't see any sort of probationary vetting period for the 3,000 who were added to the church on Pentecost, or the Ethiopian eunuch, or anyone else in scripture, for that matter. I wonder how long John the Baptist observed those who came to the banks of the Jordan before he invited them into the water

2) does love believe all things, or is love suspicious of all things? and how legalistic do we want to be?
If we require everyone to "have it all together" before baptizing them, I can assure you that the water will become quite stale from lack of stirring.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Hahaha....last week a pastor contacted me and asked me to take over leadership of a small groups meeting in my area. With it would be a Eldership if it takes off and grows. See the pastor invisions small church groups operating throughout Northern New Jersey under his pastoral umbrella. This is the way things are going today.....and I find it hilarious.
 

Aaron

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I think you're making a pretty bold assumption that the average congregation is full of mature, biblically sound believers.
I assmed no such thing.

I wonder what the church at Corinth might have considered too scandalous ? Maybe a man having his father's wife ?
Oh, wait. They openly accepted a guy like that and had to be rebuked for it
Yes, that's right. Congregations do wrong many times.

I'm not really in favor of an entire congregation having a majority say-so on anything spiritual. The reason is that the majority of any congregation is lacking in discernment, maturity, biblical knowledge.
How does that bear on the example of the Apostles in the verse I cited?

The majority of genuine believers wouldn't know the difference between a wolf and an antelope
That's why there are pastors and elders to train, guide, protect
. . . but not to lord.

If we require everyone to "have it all together" before baptizing them, . . .
Now who's making assumptions? Where did I say we require everyone to "have it all together?" All I said was that the congregation has a say. That implies that there are qualifications, but that there are qualifications is plainly laid before us in the narrative of John the Baptist. John sent the Pharisees away. Their repentance was not genuine, and demanded fruits meet for repentance before baptizing them.
 

annsni

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We do vote but the week before, the names of the potential new members are posted in the bulletin and the pastor speaks the names from the pulpit. In the very few cases where there has been a known issue, a congregant would go to the pastor to let him know that there are issues with a potential new member and then that is handled as it needs to be. I honestly don't know of any case recently where we have had a problem though. But this way, instead of in the service someone saying "No", they have the opportunity to address it privately.
 

salzer mtn

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There are different ways congregations handle taking someone into the church. I was of the opinion most Baptist can take a candidate in by letter of recommendation given by another Baptist church of like faith. The Moderator opens the doors of the church in the business meeting reads the name of the candidate before the church members present and calls for a motion and a second and all in favor say yay, all oppose say nay and stand and state your reason. Then the church comes around and gives them the right hand of fellowship. With someone that has been saved and don't belong to another church the candidate is required to give a testimony of faith in the Lord Jesus and then the motion and second is put before the church and if received the candidate must be baptized into the church. Other congregations do it differently. The pastor calls for anyone that believes like the church does to come up before the assembly to present themselves for baptism. The candidate don't have to give a testimony of faith because baptism say's it all.
 
CANT RESIST......well as long as you "assmeded" it!:laugh:
Ohhhhh ... the temptation!

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Salty

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Hahaha....last week a pastor contacted me and asked me to take over leadership of a small groups meeting in my area. With it would be a Eldership if it takes off and grows. See the pastor invisions small church groups operating throughout Northern New Jersey under his pastoral umbrella. This is the way things are going today.....and I find it hilarious.


Why do you find it hilarious?
 
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