Michael, the Chief Messenger = Jesus Christ?

[37818]

By your logic, there are 2 names by which we can be saved, if Michael and Jesus are the same person.

Thank you for admitting then that Michael cannot be Jesus. Only one savior, who is Jesus, not Michael the archangel.

I agreed to nether view. The Son of God is ONE Person. And always has been.
It is a heresy deny that.
Salvation is only through the Lord Jesus Christ.
What is your evidence Michael the Archangel cannot be the preincarnate Christ? Denial isn't a proof. Heresy isn't a proof.

 

[Ascetic X]

I agreed to nether view. The Son of God is ONE Person. And always has been.
It is a heresy deny that.
What is your evidence Michael the Archangel cannot be the preincarnate Christ? Denial isn't a proof. Heresy isn't a proof.

I and others have proved to you repeatedly, with much scriptural evidence, how the idea that Michael is the pre-incarnate Jesus is a heresy, a false teaching promoted by Jehovahs Witnesses. Jesus is not an angel. He is God the Son and Lord of Lords.

Revelation 12 mentions Michael and Christ as two separate beings.

7Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.

8But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels.

9And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

10And I heard a loud voice in heaven saying:

“Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,

and the authority of His Christ.

 

[37818]

Read your bible.

You are trying to prove that Christ was just an angel.

Michael is called the "archangel"

What you are trying to prove is heresy.

The Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ is the LORD God the Creator. He created the angels.

Do you deny the Angel of the LORD to be the preincarnate Christ?

 

[37818]

Are you denying the Triune God?

I affirm the three distinct Persons who are, God the Father, Son of God and the Holy Spirit being the one LORD God.

 

[37818]

I and others have proved to you repeatedly, with much scriptural evidence, how the idea that Michael is the pre-incarnate Jesus is a heresy, a false teaching promoted by Jehovahs Witnesses. Jesus is not an angel. He is God the Son and Lord of Lords.

Are you being a false accuser?

Are you denying that the Lord Jesus Christ is the one true LORD God with His Father? John 17:3? John 1:18. Genesis 12:7. Zachriah 3:1-2?

 

[37818]

1. There is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved

Acts 4:10-12.

 

[37818]

That Michael is not named Christ or ever claim to be Christ or God, or the Son of God.

Michael the Archangel = the Angel of the LORD?
Less than or greater than? Why?

 

[37818]

So Michael created the worlds?
I don’t see that in there?

Neither do I.
Revelation 12:7, . . . Michael and his angels . . . .

What are you trying to say?

As the Creator He made Himself a part of His creation.

 

[37818]

I and others have proved to you repeatedly, with much scriptural evidence, how the idea that Michael is the pre-incarnate Jesus is a heresy, a false teaching promoted by Jehovahs Witnesses. Jesus is not an angel. He is God the Son and Lord of Lords.

Revelation 12 mentions Michael and Christ as two separate beings.

7Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael andf his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.

8But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels.

9And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

10And I heard a loud voice in heaven saying:

“Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,

and the authority of His Christ.

Verse 7-8, And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Verse 9-10, And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

* Now how do we use this to prove the role of the Archangel cannot also have the role in being the Christ? *

This argument!

Revelation 12 mentions Michael and Christ as two separate beings.

But is this really the case?

 

[Silverhair]

The Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ is the LORD God the Creator. He created the angels.

Do you deny the Angel of the LORD to be the preincarnate Christ?

Are you saying that Christ is just a created angel?

When you consider that the OT saints would not have understood God. the pre-incarnate Christ, appearing to them they would have referred to those as the appearance of an angel. But that does not make Christ an angel.

That still does not help your case of Christ being Michael the archangel .

 

[Silverhair]

Read your bible.

You are trying to prove that Christ was just an angel.

Michael is called the "archangel"

What you are trying to prove is heresy.

If you are not trying to prove that Christ is the Archangel Michael then what are you trying to prove?

 

[Silverhair]

I affirm the three distinct Persons who are, God the Father, Son of God and the Holy Spirit being the one LORD God.

Good to see that then why do you think Michael is Christ?

 

[Silverhair]

Verse 7-8, And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Verse 9-10, And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

* Now how do we use this to prove the role of the Archangel cannot also have the role in being the Christ? *

You have yet to give any clear scriptural proof that Michael is Christ but you do deny the clear proof that Michael is not Christ.

Why is that?

What is your evidence Michael the Archangel is the preincarnate Christ? Your opinion is not proof.

 

[asterisktom]

Yes, it is false that Michael is Jesus, since then there would be 2 names by which we can be saved.

Make that 3 names. Immanuel. We can add more. This is not a valid point

 

[Ben1445]

Michael the Archangel = the Angel of the LORD?
Less than or greater than? Why?

Aquilla =the angel of the Lord?
Why or why not?

They have never been seen together you know.

I know it sounds like I am deviating from a serious question, but I view mine as equally serious. I can’t take either seriously.

 

[Ben1445]

Make that 3 names. Immanuel. We can add more. This is not a valid point

Where is His Name called Michael?
I can find
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Now find Michael for me.

 

[Ben1445]

Neither do I.
Revelation 12:7, . . . Michael and his angels . . . .


As the Creator He made Himself a part of His creation.

Jesus…
Philippians 2:8
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Verse 7-8, And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Verse 9-10, And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

* Now how do we use this to prove the role of the Archangel cannot also have the role in being the Christ? *

This argument!


But is this really the case?

i can see why you might think Michael is Jesus if you are predisposed to thinking that way.
I don’t see it.

 

[37818]

Are you saying that Christ is just a created angel?

No. The LORD God.

 

[Silverhair]

Make that 3 names. Immanuel. We can add more. This is not a valid point

Christ had many Names and Titles but He was not called Michael or Archangel.

 

[Silverhair]

No. The LORD God.

Then how can He be an archangel?