37818
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Aquila = "an eagle"
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Michael, the Chief Messenger = Jesus Christ?
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Ben1445
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Seriously?
37818
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A preincarnate condition how He can be with God.
John 1:1-3, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
He has always been both with God and was God.
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Silverhair
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As you just said of Christ "He has always been both with God and was God."
So Christ was never an archangel.
So Christ is not Michael the archangel.
You keep proving that your view is wrong.
Ben1445
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You ignored what I actually said.
37818
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Ben1445
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37818
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All I am hearing from you is you think my view is wrong.
Do you deny the Angel of the LORD is preincarnate Christ too?
Do you agree the LORD who appeared to Abraham was preincarnate Christ?
Ben1445
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Which angel of the Lord?
Ben1445
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There are 64 mentions of “the angel of the Lord.” The burden of proof for a messenger from the Lord being the Son and not an angel lies with the individual text in question and the reader who feels that the messenger is God.
37818
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Which OT appearance of the angel of the LORD was NOT the LORD?
Please give me said reference.
[ There are 52 OT verses. ]
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Ben1445
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The Lord is not an angel. If the angel of the Lord is to be taken as the Lord as His own messenger, this would be the exception and not the rule.
Ben1445
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Furthermore, a statement of the “Lord said” is not a definitive proof. Because the messenger comes bearing the Lord’s word, the messenger may not call them his own. To say after I have quoted Scripture that they are my words is called plagiarism.
Silverhair
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What I have done is show you why your view is wrong here Michael, the Chief Messenger = Jesus Christ?
The pre-incarnate Christ is not Michael the archangel unless you think Christ is a created angel.
Silverhair
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Since you are the one that is in disagreement with scripture and claim Michael the archangel is actually Christ Jesus.
Prove your case.
37818
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Genesis 22:11-12, And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Silverhair
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This does not prove that the pre-incarnate Christ was the angel that spoke to Abraham.
What we know is that an angel of the Lord spoke to Abraham.
37818
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John 8:54-56, Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
37818
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John 1:18, No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.