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Middle School Students Advised to Throw Canned Food at Active Shooters

Sapper Woody

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Why not throw books? Desks? Cell phones?



I am going to treat that as an honest question. A can is a solid object with weight behind it. A book will succumb to wind resistance. Obviously, you can't throw a desk and do damage. On impact, a phone will shatter, negating the energy of te impact, plus does not weigh enough to do damage.
 
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Sapper Woody

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You don't throw anything at a killer, especially as a 12 year old, you don't set yourself up as a target with something that no hope to stopping the killer. That is pure idiocy.



He's going to kill them anyway. And I've already debunked the "no hope of stopping him". See my earlier post where I went into it extensively.



I can't seem to get my point across here. Obviously, it's not ideal. But it's better than nothing.
 

matt wade

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He's going to kill them anyway. And I've already debunked the "no hope of stopping him". See my earlier post where I went into it extensively.



I can't seem to get my point across here. Obviously, it's not ideal. But it's better than nothing.
You aren't going to get anything across. The idea was floated by a "liberal educator", so it's a horrible idea.

Had Herman Cain or Limbaugh come up with it, and educators objected, the story around here would be 180 degrees different.
 

Melanie

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True Poncho...what you have said, not forgetting the breakdown of family and too many teachers acting as social workers!
 

Revmitchell

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I thought it stupid at first. But now I like it. 25 - 30 middle schoolers throwing an 8oz can at someone will do damage, possibly even incapacitate a grown person.



I mean, what's he going to do if it doesn't work? Shoot them? He was going to do that anyway.

First, you give that way to much credit. The possible damage is unlikely. Second, it would take the students to be out in the open to do it. That is foolish. The best thing to do is to find some kind of cover. Never, ever encourage children to stand up to an adult with a gun. ever.
 

just-want-peace

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Only liberals would think of something so utterly stupid.

Doubt that it is liberals, cause this is actually encouraging the victims to ACTIVELY DEFEND THEMSELVES, rather than passively submit, so as not to "anger" the perp(s)!! Nah, submission is the lib's reaction! :sleep:

Also would add to this that if the teachers were armed, the distraction of several cans bombarding the perp's body would give the teacher that brief window to get a weapon & dispatch the idiot.
 

carpro

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Middle school students in Alabama are being advised to stash canned food throughout their classrooms to be used as weapons against possible armed intruders.

W.F. Burns Middle School Principal Priscilla Holley, who sent a letter home to parents last week, announced the new safety procedure after discussing the issue with law enforcement.

Speaking with WHNT 19, Holley said the policy was modeled after a survival tactic know as ALICE, an acronym for Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter and Evacuate.

“As a result of school shootings throughout the United States and discussing with law enforcement on the best procedure to follow to keep our students safe, we are enhancing our procedure for intruders,” Holley stated.

According to the letter, students are encouraged to empower themselves by bringing an 8 oz. canned food item from home.

Continue . . . http://www.prisonplanet.com/middle-school-students-advised-to-throw-canned-food-at-active-shooters.html

Idiots. :BangHead:
 

rsr

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So it seems that this idea was not originated by "liberal educators" but comes from a police and security matrix. Apparently someone at a conference shared ideas on how to deal with active shooters, and this was one of them. And it's a last resort.

Here's the New York Police Department:

"If neither evacuating the facility nor seeking shelter is possible, building occupants should attempt to disrupt and/or incapacitate the active shooter by throwing objects, using aggressive force, and yelling."

http://www.alicetraining.com/wp-con...tive-Shooter-Research-and-Recommendations.pdf

Greg Crane, president of the ALICE (Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter, and Evacuate) Institute (a former cop, SWAT guy and now a security consultant) has defended the principal:

In the letter sent to the parents, the principal states that the canned good could be used as a last resort to perhaps “catch the intruder off guard”. This is a totally correct, and logical, statement. The Counter strategies written by ATI, and adopted by thousands of organizations around the country, are a strategy of last resort, and only to be used should contact by made by a shooter who is targeting a group of innocent people. The strategies are designed to greatly increase the chances of mitigating the planned casualties through two means:

Use overwhelming stimulus to interrupt the shooter’s ability to shoot accurately. People become a much harder target.

Following the concepts of Movement, Distance, and Distractions, citizens can achieve the desired outcome of casualty mitigation. The initial goal when confronted by the shooter is not necessarily to stop his ability to shoot, but to, as quickly as possible, inhibit his ability to shoot accurately. Even from a close distance.

The throwing of any available item, including canned goods, at the face of the shooter will immediately cause the desired effect in practically every human being. The natural response to an item being thrown at one’s face is a break in attention, closing one’s eyes, and a reflexive movement to protect one’s face. Once that has been achieved, many of the skills needed to complete the skillset of shooting accurately will immediately be negated, and less accurate shooting will result. This will surely mean lower hit rates which translate into fewer casualties.

Once this distraction has been achieved, the citizens are then afforded the opportunity to either attempt evacuation, or physically take control of the shooter using their vast superiority of numbers. These are simple but extremely effective strategies. Actions are always dictated by age, physical and mental abilities, and circumstances. (Read more about ATI’s age appropriate training). But it is important that citizens understand all of their response options.

... While the use of canned goods to achieve the desired result of distracting the shooter is not a specific ATI recommendation, we fully support the concept as outlined in the school’s plan as a tool for distraction. The validity of this plan is substantiated by the thousands of organizations around the country in all demographics who have made ALICE part of their Active Shooter response plan. These organizations represent approximately 22 million citizens of all ages who are now exposed to this type of training in proactive, options-based responses to these extremely dangerous situations. Their belief in the program’s ability to save lives is a huge honor for the ALICE Training Institute, and it is greatly appreciated.
 

poncho

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Carpro's warning sign backed up by Smith Wesson and Colt. Rugers and Glocks are okay to.
 
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