Not certain what you mean.
War many purposed “reasons” but ultimately has one effect. Destruction.
How the destruction takes place is of little importance be it by battering ram, atomic bomb, or uncontrolled tongues.
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War many purposed “reasons” but ultimately has one effect. Destruction.
How the destruction takes place is of little importance be it by battering ram, atomic bomb, or uncontrolled tongues.
Um, well, the Russian Thermonuclear bomb Tsar Bomba (60 megaton) can blow a hole of total destruction 30 miles in diameter - pretty scary.
HankD
Sorry, I should have quoted your remarks on the post WWII wars in Post #9 for context.
Hegemony no longer comes from Roman legions, British men-of-war, or industrialization. It's missiles and subs full of canned sunshine. Which leads to small wars, proxy wars, or whatever name is popular. And the great powers don't go toe to toe.
Look at recent wars between non nuclear, near peer countries. They look remarkably old school, at least until the kids from the nuke club show up.
I guess this is just a long winded way of saying that, in terms of boomers, carrier strike groups, airlift and sealift capabilities, power projection, the US is probably farther ahead of the pack than we were during the world wars you mention.
When the massive army surrounded the little village, God caused them to slaughter each other.
God raises and puts down.
Do folks not consider God is in control.
How one dies is of so little importance.
The one to fear is who can destroy both body and soul.
This was the first sentence in your OP. I think quite a bit was accomplished in the examples I cited. You may not like the accomplishments, but there they are.
Well I don’t disagree with any of that.
Great, biblically based post! However, lets consider honoring godless men in authority, or godless government such as the Third Reich. Looking at your first passage (Romans 13:1-7) Is says be subject to "governing authorities" but follows with there is no authority except from God. Therefore a godless authority, might not meet the criteria of a "governing authority." Anyway, that is the way I read it.
Note also the instruction to "do what is good" and you will have no fear. If the Viet Nam soldiers had not followed ordedrs (and slaughtered innocents at My Lai) they would have had nothing to fear from godly authority. Also note that Acts 4:18-19 also indicates we are do what we believe is right in the eyes of God. Ditto for Acts 5:40-42.
As an old geezer, I remember the enemy "brain washing" of our POW in Korea. They taught them (reeducation) that America was not a good country, was not worth fighting for, etc. Corporations (banks) were exploiting the masses, and look at all the evil, giving smallpox to the native peoples, putting blacks to work as slaves and mistreating them in every way imaginable.
America certainly has its faults, but we need to shine the light of day on our problems and not buy the fake news peddled by the governments of North Korea, China, and Russia. Lets make America great again.
Godly people serving godly governing authority to protect our siblings in Christ, from Communism, and Islam is a fight worth having!
America certainly has its faults, but we need to shine the light of day on our problems and not buy the fake news peddled by the governments of North Korea, China, and Russia. Lets make America great again.
Godly people serving godly governing authority to protect our siblings in Christ, from Communism, and Islam is a fight worth having!
More likely the United States stuck its nose in places it shouldn't have. (And this is to ignore that the War of 1812 was really a draw; the U.S. got most of what it wanted, but that was not because of military prowess. The UK had bigger fish to fry and, more importantly, didn't need to impress American seamen because it had neutered the French Navy.)
And was World War I "successful in completing a military campaign"? Certainly not in hindsight, given that it was recommenced 20 years later. You could ask Blackjack Pershing about his thoughts on the prosecution of the war.
The Mexican campaign before World War I was a dismal failure. Its only redeeming quality was that it trained troops who would fight in the Great War.
Certainly the United States eventually conquered the Native Americans. Surely God was strengthening the hand of those smiting the heathens.
He also seems to have paused in allowing successful campaigns in Grenada, Panama and the first Iraq war. (Admittedly, the second one was a mess and has led to innumerable difficulties that we are still living with.)
You seem to be forgetting the two unsuccessful invasions of Canada. Surely the Canadians were more righteous than the Americans.
Was the Korean War a failure? Ask the South Koreans, who have prospered and finally come around to democracy. Yes, the Kims are still in power and a menace, but I think the millions of South Koreans who have enjoyed a fruitful, if tense, existence would rather live in the South than under the Kims.
God uses nations to fulfill his purposes. They need not be moral to do so.
The post is not unrecognized. And events shared in it may certainly be seen in such a manner.
But the OP acKnowledged little was actually accomplished by physical conflict of nations, and what was accomplished generally was of little value.
Heathen hearted Tyrants abound unchanged and remaining vicious.
However, the questions in the op:
Question(s):
1) When do believers determine that armed conflict in support of the country (any country) is worthy and righteous?
2) When do believers determine that imprisonment and death are preferred in comparison to service and submission to the country (any country)?
3) Specific to the U.S., when does the BB members determine that the country is not one in which to honor with pledge and service?
1) When do believers determine that armed conflict in support of the country (any country) is worthy and righteous?
2) When do believers determine that imprisonment and death are preferred in comparison to service and submission to the country (any country)?
3) Specific to the U.S., when does the BB members determine that the country is not one in which to honor with pledge and service?
have remained unanswered.
Question(s):
1) When do believers determine that armed conflict in support of the country (any country) is worthy and righteous?
2) When do believers determine that imprisonment and death are preferred in comparison to service and submission to the country (any country)?
3) Specific to the U.S., when does the BB members determine that the country is not one in which to honor with pledge and service?
Luke 20:25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.
HankD
Really?
Your going to quote something having to do with paying taxes?
Such does not address the questions.
What does paying taxes (which is obligated by the Lord) got to do with the questions of the OP?
I see Agedman is repeating his questions and ignoring the answers once again. Sad pattern.
1) When do we fight under governing authority? Answer (from post #30) Godly people serving godly governing authority to protect our siblings in Christ, Answer (from post #29) Also note that Acts 4:18-19 also indicates we are do what we believe is right in the eyes of God.
2) If the required action violates God's commands, we, acting as an individual should become a concsience objector. Note that some of these drove ambulances and rendered care on the battlefield.
3) Those that do not honor America are probably not Christians (but many may be tares). Some have bought into the scapegoating fictions of the Left, I can even honor the past service of John McCain, while acknowledging he seems to be undercutting our efforts to make a better America for all, including blacks, asians, and hispanics.
1) When do we fight under governing authority? Answer (from post #30) Godly people serving godly governing authority to protect our siblings in Christ, Answer (from post #29) Also note that Acts 4:18-19 also indicates we are do what we believe is right in the eyes of God.
2) If the required action violates God's commands, we, acting as an individual should become a concsience objector. Note that some of these drove ambulances and rendered care on the battlefield.
3) Those that do not honor America are probably not Christians (but many may be tares). Some have bought into the scapegoating fictions of the Left, I can even honor the past service of John McCain, while acknowledging he seems to be undercutting our efforts to make a better America for all, including blacks, asians, and hispanics.
What is more sad, is Van not being able to post without denigration.
Note that when VAN answered he had to manipulate the questions to his own liking.
For example,
Question one:
1) When do believers determine that armed conflict in support of the country (any country) is worthy and righteous?
Look at what VAN posted:
1) When do we fight under governing authority? Answer (from post #30) Godly people serving godly governing authority to protect our siblings in Christ, Answer (from post #29) Also note that Acts 4:18-19 also indicates we are do what we believe is right in the eyes of God.
See by inserting VAN's own agenda into the question, he tries to show that 1) he provided an answer, 2) the agedman purposely avoids answers.
Then to grasp at Acts 4 as if that is the "governing authority" is misuse. The Acts 4 response was to religious authorities, not Rome who were the governing authority.
I won't respond to the other two "answers" VAN has given. His agenda driven manipulation is distasteful.
So, Van, take the questions AS THEY ARE PRESENTED and see if you can answer them.
No qualifiers, no avoidance, and no denigration.