Militiamen seize national park office in Oregon

[carpro]

In phone interviews from inside the occupied building Saturday night, Ammon Bundy and his brother, Ryan Bundy, said they are not looking to hurt anyone. But they would not rule out violence if police tried to remove them, they said.

"The facility has been the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds," Ammon Bundy said.

"We're planning on staying here for years, absolutely," he added. "This is not a decision we've made at the last minute."

Ian Kullgren, a reporter for The Oregonian, posted on Twitter that he had spoken by phone with Mr. Bundy on Sunday morning.

I talked to Ryan Bundy on the phone again. He said they're willing to kill and be killed if necessary. #OregonUnderAttack

— Ian Kullgren (@IanKullgren) Jan. 3, 2016

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html

So your answer is they have hurt no one. They have no hostages. They have threatened no one.

So who are they terrorizing? Are they frightening you?

 

[Use of Time]

So your answer is they have hurt no one. They have no hostages. They have threatened no one.

So who are they terrorizing? Are they frightening you?

I think 150 armed militiamen seizing federal property is kind of scary and so do a lot of the people that live there.

 

[InTheLight]

So your answer is they have hurt no one. They have no hostages. They have threatened no one.

So who are they terrorizing? Are they frightening you?

They are willing to kill and be killed. That is a threat, though unspecified as to whom.

They are occupying a government building in an attempt to change policy. They are threatening to use force. They are armed. That is terrorism.

They are not frightening me, personally.

Are you going to drive up there and join them? Perhaps send them supplies?

 

[Rolfe]

Perhaps I missed it, but who owned the land that was torched?

 

[carpro]

They are willing to kill and be killed. That is a threat, though unspecified as to whom.

They are occupying a government building in an attempt to change policy. They are threatening to use force. They are armed. That is terrorism.

They are willing to kill or be killed? What have they done to demonstrate this , other than talk? Is it your wish to escalate this into a killing?

Who is being terrorized? Your answer is nobody. Right now, it's nothing more than civil disobedience against an overbearing federal government.

Unless the feds make another stupid move and create another Ruby Ridge or Waco, Tx.. Is that what you want?

 

[InTheLight]

Perhaps I missed it, but who owned the land that was torched?

It's part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

 

[Use of Time]

Yep, Carpro is a supporter. What a surprise.

 

[carpro]

I think 150 armed militiamen seizing federal property is kind of scary and so do a lot of the people that live there.

Has anyone been hurt or threatened? Who is "scared"? I haven't read anywhere that people are running away in panic, or even very worried about the "occupation" at all. Right now, to most people there, it's a minor nuisance or inconvenience.

I think the feds should bring in overwhelming force and kill them all. Don't you?

 

[Use of Time]

It's part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Yep and it was something like 139 acres too. Significant.

 

[carpro]

Yep, Carpro is a supporter. What a surprise.

Where have I said I support what they are doing?

You're making things up again. I thought you were past those kind of tactics.

I tell you what I do support...not having another Ruby Ridge or Waco, TX. just for the sake of showing how all powerful the federal government is.

 

[Use of Time]

Has anyone been hurt or threatened? Who is "scared"? I haven't read anywhere that people are running away in panic, or even very worried about the "occupation" at all. Right now, to most people there, it's a minor nuisance or inconvenience.

I think the feds should bring in overwhelming force and kill them all. Don't you?

Oh yeah, it's totally fine, armed gunman commandeering federal property and threatening to die to hold it. Just a little inconvenience. All because two convicted arsonists are too scared to report to prison.

 

[InTheLight]

They are willing to kill or be killed? What have they done to demonstrate this , other than talk? Is it your wish to escalate this into a killing?

150 armed men take over a government building. I'd say arming themselves just might, might be an indication they are willing to kill someone. Dunno, though...

They won't say how many of them are holed up in the game refuge.

He declined to say how many people were with him, telling CNN on Sunday that giving that information might jeopardize "operational security."

Yep, peaceful civil disobedience requires guns and has "operational security". LOL!

Who is being terrorized? Your answer is nobody. Right now, it's nothing more than civil disobedience against an overbearing federal government.

Please give your definition of terrorism. I've already given mine.Let's hear yours.

Unless the feds make another stupid move and create another Ruby Ridge or Waco, Tx.. Is that what you want?

Not what I want, but it is what the terrorists want.

 

[Use of Time]

Where have I said I support what they are doing?

You're making things up again. I thought you were past those kind of tactics.

I tell you what I do support...not having another Ruby Ridge or Waco, TX. just for the sake of showing how all powerful the federal government is.

Just who is advocating killing them all and repeating Waco? I haven't seen anyone do that in here. I want the idiots in jail.

These are just a bunch of dorks that want to pretend like they are in the military.

 

[Rolfe]

It's part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Yep and it was something like 139 acres too. Significant.

Then they deserve prison if it was not their land and not authorized.

 

[carpro]

150 armed men take over a government building. I'd say arming themselves just might, might be an indication they are willing to kill someone. Dunno, though...

They won't say how many of them are holed up in the game refuge.

He declined to say how many people were with him, telling CNN on Sunday that giving that information might jeopardize "operational security."

Yep, peaceful civil disobedience requires guns and has "operational security". LOL!



Please give your definition of terrorism. I've already given mine.Let's hear yours.



Not what I want, but it is what the terrorists want.

I guess that answers my question. You do want this to excalate into a killing.

There are no terrorists.

No one harmed. No one threatened. Looks like it will continue to be peaceful unless the feds get as stupid as you hope they do.

 

[Use of Time]

Then they deserve prison if it was not their land and not authorized.

Well that's just it, they are supposed to report to prison Monday and one of their demands is to rescind the sentences on the Hammonds. LOL. All of this over such a low stakes issue.

 

[carpro]

These are just a bunch of dorks that want to pretend like they are in the military.

Exactly. You want them in jail? How do you propose you get them there?

Have many will have to die to make you happy?

 

[matt wade]

So your answer is they have hurt no one. They have no hostages. They have threatened no one.

So who are they terrorizing? Are they frightening you?

If 150 Muslims, that were US Citizens, did this, what would you call it?

 

[Rolfe]

Did these 150 break in to the building, or did they simply refuse to leave at closing time?

 

[carpro]

Well that's just it, they are supposed to report to prison Monday and one of their demands is to rescind the sentences on the Hammonds. LOL. All of this over such a low stakes issue.

They have already served time over the incident. Now , because of some "error", they want them to serve more. Kinda stupid.

An in tune president would just pardon them or commute their sentence to time served. The whole thing is ridiculous. But I imagine he relishes the opportunity to show how powerful the federal government is.