Minneapolis Is Going To Do It

[Gold Dragon]

The difference in the USA is that the country was founded on States/Commonwealth rights and that federal involvement should be kept to a minimum.

Ok. It is the same in Australia. The state police does the law enforcement.
The federal police deals with borders, terrorism, trans state issues like the FBI.

 

[InTheLight]

They're stalling. If they are serious, it doesn't have to be a process.

Send all the cops home. It's done. Easy.

Can the Council “defund” the police and stop paying them?

Not entirely.

The Council must follow the City Charter which requires the funding of “a police force of at least 0.0017 employees per resident, and provide for those employees’ compensation, for which purpose it may tax the taxable property in the City up to 0.3 percent of its value annually.”

As for what size police force the charter requires, a city spokesman would say that’s a “legal interpretation” that he wouldn’t answer.

What you need to know about plans to defund Minneapolis police

 

[Scott Downey]

I still think some of these people demanding one way or another to get rid of the police are fearful of themselves being prosecuted for rioting, mayhem, looting, arson and assault during these riots, many are on caught on camera and if the money is not there to pay police investigation, and prosecution, it just wont happen and they will stay free and be rewarded for bad and evil behaviors. The other issue with prosecution is would their rioting peer jury groups decline to hand out guilty verdicts at all, as to them that is supporting the current judicial system that they hate, meaning prosecutors wont want to bring cases to court with little hope of a conviction.

I have seen plenty of video of them screaming, attacking and burning city court buildings, police precincts.

 

[Adonia]

Ok. It is the same in Australia. The state police does the law enforcement.
The federal police deals with borders, terrorism, trans state issues like the FBI.

Do you have town police departments? County Police? County Sheriff's? We have many different police agencies on the local level. Then it's the State Police (called Troopers) and some states have investigative agencies that mirror the Federal FBI. Georgia for instance has the GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigation).

 

[carpro]

Can the Council “defund” the police and stop paying them?

Not entirely.

The Council must follow the City Charter which requires the funding of “a police force of at least 0.0017 employees per resident, and provide for those employees’ compensation, for which purpose it may tax the taxable property in the City up to 0.3 percent of its value annually.”

As for what size police force the charter requires, a city spokesman would say that’s a “legal interpretation” that he wouldn’t answer.

What you need to know about plans to defund Minneapolis police

Uh oh!

Still shouldn't be much of a problem. Apparently they have the votes to change the city charter.

Heaven forbid they actually have to give the people a voice in any of this.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Do you have town police departments? County Police? County Sheriff's? We have many different police agencies on the local level. Then it's the State Police (called Troopers) and some states have investigative agencies that mirror the Federal FBI. Georgia for instance has the GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigation).

Police departments are in cities and towns but they are state police. Council Rangers are like city health inspectors who work for the council, out of council offices.

 

[Scott Downey]

Natalie Portman calls out her white privilege in post supporting defunding the police

Natalie Portman wants money spent on police moved over to social services. Says her white privilege means police work to keep whites safe and punish blacks.

Except black on black crime is one main reason police work is necessary. The woke crowd of social justice warriors are anything but...

In the last times, people will follow doctrines of demons, eliminating police is one such demonic doctrine. Such people are insanely deluded.

 

[JonC]

What is being ignored is every generation looks for a cause, something for which to stand and something to stand against because it gives purpose to our lives. In the absence of Christianity people will fill the void with whatever narrative suits this need. It could be racism, the legalization of marijuana, PETA, adoption, abortion, immunization, education, and the list goes on. Only Christ addresses the issue behind the causes.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Excellent article on this general subject albeit by a Scot living in Australia.
A Free People’s Suicide? – The End of Law and Order in the West

 

[JonC]

Excellent article on this general subject albeit by a Scot living in Australia.
A Free People’s Suicide? – The End of Law and Order in the West

Human government will always be unjust and imperfect because of the "human" part. When we seek to make God's type of justice work in the secular world we find we cannot because we cannot change a person as God can change a person. At the same time when we implement a retributive judicial philosophy we end up with a Jean Valgean and Javert which also fails to be just. The "problem" is greater than any human solution. I have Republic on my desk as I type (I have not opened it in over a year, but it is still in front of me). Plato is part of the problem because all he can address is "human justice" offering a "human solution" which never truly provides justice or even understands what justice is to a society as compared to an individual or to either compared to a Creator.

My conclusion is that the world is as it should be. The world is unjust. The world cannot make things right. The UK is an unjust country as is the US.Our secular judicial systems will fail. Nothing will make the world right. The world is perishing and will perish. Christians speak out against social injustice but the solution is to die to the world and become sojourners in a land that is no longer our home.

In other words, there are two kingdoms at present - one of darkness and one of Light. There is this world and the kingdom of God which is not of this world. One is fading. One is being built. Both are present. Christ suffered under the powers of the one to bring us into the power of the other. We cannot serve both and should not look for a solution in the world which is fading.

 

[JonC]

@Martin Marprelate ,

I need to add this - as an American I cannot trust the article because it is written by an Aussie speaking of social issues in the US. As any good American knows Australia is just England with kangaroos and crocodiles. Pretend that justice is a pudding in a bowl (the bowl representing society). The English eat black pudding (blood sausage) and white pudding (just as nasty but no blood). The Americans eat banana pudding. The issue is whether or not to use vanilla wafers or Nilla wafers (use Nilla wafers).

Now that that's settled......

 

[Salty]

Police departments are in cities and towns but they are state police. Council Rangers are like city health inspectors who work for the council, out of council offices.

Not necessary - In New York State, Many townships as well as villages have their own police depts- and Cities are required to have both police depts and fire depts. Outside of cities, villages may have a fire dept - but not required, townships are not permitted to have a fire dept. Outside of cities we have fire districts.

Of course, the counties have a Sheriffs dept. I remember when I lived in Clayton County, GA, they did have a Sheriffs dept - then they also consolated the town police depts into the Clayton county police dept.

FWIW- a town in GA, would be considered a village in New York State.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

@Martin Marprelate ,

I need to add this - as an American I cannot trust the article because it is written by an Aussie speaking of social issues in the US. As any good American knows Australia is just England with kangaroos and crocodiles. Pretend that justice is a pudding in a bowl (the bowl representing society). The English eat black pudding (blood sausage) and white pudding (just as nasty but no blood). The Americans eat banana pudding. The issue is whether or not to use vanilla wafers or Nilla wafers (use Nilla wafers).

Now that that's settled......

Only southerners eat nanner puddin. Up here we got tapioca & rice pudding

 

[Gold Dragon]

Not necessary - In New York State, Many townships as well as villages have their own police depts- and Cities are required to have both police depts and fire depts. Outside of cities, villages may have a fire dept - but not required, townships are not permitted to have a fire dept. Outside of cities we have fire districts.

Of course, the counties have a Sheriffs dept. I remember when I lived in Clayton County, GA, they did have a Sheriffs dept - then they also consolated the town police depts into the Clayton county police dept.

FWIW- a town in GA, would be considered a village in New York State.

Yes I know municipal police and fire are how things are usually done in the US and the laws reflect that. Canada is like that too.

My point is that there are other ways to do things and still have policing, law and order. No municipal police is not the same as no police. Fire is also a state service in Australia.

Laws about services required by municipalities are meant to serve the people. If they no longer serve the people, the laws can be changed.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Camden's Turn : A Story of Police Reform in Progress

CityLab: What Happened to Crime in Camden?

But on New Year’s 2018, just 22 candles were lit: The city’s murder rate fell to its lowest since 1987. The number of annual killings has been in decline since 2012; so have robberies, aggravated assaults, violent crimes, property crimes, and non-fatal shooting incidents.

So what’s happening in this city, which for many years has been deemed among the dangerous in America? Thomson, who took the helm of the Camden police force in 2008, says the biggest factor may have been the change in structure of the department itself. In 2013, the Camden Police Department was disbanded, reimagined, and born again as the Camden County Police Department, with more officers at lower pay—and a strategic shift toward “community policing.”

 

[HankD]

Bait and Switch.