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Missing verses?

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natters

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Originally posted by michelle:
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Now, please provide scriptural support for KJVOism. This is my 54th request.
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As I have said, it has been abundantly supplied to you - you have ignored it.
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The only thing that has been "abundantly supplied" is the claim that it has been abundantly supplied.

Any scriptural support for KJV-onlyism ("abundantly supplied" or not) that can be put forward would have been untrue scripture before the KJV existed. Is Michelle arguing for scripture being untrue prior to the KJV's existence? It appears so. If not, then Michelle, you need to explicitly provide the scripture and explicitly explain how it supports KJV-onlyism, and also explicitly explain how it was also true (without changing meaning) prior to the KJV's existence. Otherwise, stop wasting everyone's time with your empty responses.
 
AVL1984

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This thread is about missing verses....has anyone really posted proof that verses are missing either from the KJV or the MV's, or even compared them? It is not a thread about KJVOnlyism or it's validity, though that does tie in to the subject...it is still a side issue.

Michelle says there are verses omitted. She needs to provide a list of those verses...ALL OF THEM...and PROOF why she believes they should be in the Bible, not long posts of KJV text. Again, as I posted Heb 4:12 above from the NIV, others can post the same verses from other translations. Posting scripture references in reference to why a verse should belong means nothing.
 
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Johnv

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Originally posted by michelle:
As I have said, it [scriptural support for KJVOism] has been abundantly supplied to you - you have ignored it. I can't help you any more in this than I already have. It is now up to you. Sorry.
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That's a lie. In all my requests, no one has ever provided scriptural support for KJVOism. Now, I'm not asking for scriptural support for any pharasaical reason. I endeavor to live my life as close to scripture as I can, to the best of my imerfect human ability. If scripture says that I must adopt KJVOism, I will gladly do so, and encourage other Christians to do the same. I ask for support not out of cinicism, but out of a humble desire to live as scripture requires me to. If scriptural support for KJVOism exists, kindly post it, and I will gladly and humbly adopt it, and, with a repentant heart, retract anything I ever said to the contrary.

Now, in regards to the topic of the OP, please explain how it is possible for source texts that precede the KJV to "omit" verses from source texts which came after them. This is an impossibility, hence, the claim is false.
 
HankD

HankD

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Hebrews 4

12. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

This is just one, of many verses that inform us of this truth, that we can and DO KNOW.
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The theme of this thread is "missing verses" (and I would include words as well verse numbering was not included in the earliest apographs).

Be that as it may, this passage is present in all mss as is, so it has (in your words ) no relevance in this thread and is a non-answer to the several issues in my post.

What is a matter of relevance is that I am still waiting for comments concerning the missing phrase "for a little while" which is missing in the 1769 KJV.

Therefore we are missing a truth that Jesus was made lower than the angels only for a little while and not permanently because the KJV translators for whatever reason did not translate this passage correctly, leaving out the "little while".

It is however included in the Word of God in the original language texts.

HankD
 
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michelle

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Michelle says there are verses omitted. She needs to provide a list of those verses...ALL OF THEM...and PROOF why she believes they should be in the Bible, not long posts of KJV text. Again, as I posted Heb 4:12 above from the NIV, others can post the same verses from other translations. Posting scripture references in reference to why a verse should belong means nothing.
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Well, many of you either have a very short memory, or you just plain desire to be difficult, argumentative and stubborn. What can I say? I am not going through all the work again. If you so care, then you do the work this time. In fact, I have not only even provided these missing verses myself, but have given you links to where there is well researched, and well thought articles of others who have also provided, on an even more abundant and lengthy way. Your attempt at making the claim this was never provided, is in fact a very big lie, and I do not understand why you would say such a thing, when you KNOW it is not the truth.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 
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michelle

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Sorry AVL, but the Bible, the scriptures are my sole authority. That is why I give you the scriptural texts, as you should also, but cannot because you are the one in error in this issue and those very scriptures PROVE IT.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 
AVL1984

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Michelle, I have nowhere in my statement above made the claim that you were a liar, or even slightly implied you hadn't "done the work" before. Calling me a liar shows your childish immature attitude and is uncalled for. You owe me an apology. Besides your attack is not on the subject. You claim there are missing verses. We're asking for you to repost them even if you have already done so before. If you want to be childish, I'm sure many of us here will be glad to stop communicating with you.
 
AVL1984

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Michelle, I have many times given you scriptural text...not to the extent of posting long excerpts of text that has nothing to do with the subject. The Bible is all of our sole authorities. So? You'r continued posting of the KJV in no wise points out that verses have been added or deleted. Please learn how to debate, what evidences are required, etc., or don't even try. You only defeat yourself by doing so.
 
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Scott J

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Originally posted by michelle:
Sorry AVL, but the Bible, the scriptures are my sole authority. That is why I give you the scriptural texts, as you should also, but cannot because you are the one in error in this issue and those very scriptures PROVE IT.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
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There are no scriptures that say the KJV is always correct and all others are corruptions.
 
Trotter

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Sorry AVL, but the Bible, the scriptures are my sole authority. That is why I give you the scriptural texts, as you should also, but cannot because you are the one in error in this issue and those very scriptures PROVE IT.
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Problem is, Michelle, those exact same texts also prove each adn every translation known to man. They offer absolutely nothing as a basis of one translation being exalted above another, much less one translation being perfect.

The "stomping your foot and whining about having already posted it" means diddly. We have all had to repost things because someone else didn't see it, or denied it being posted. You are no better than the rest of us, but I think you see the futility of your position. Sorry, but stalling tactics will not work.

The King James Version Only fallacy rings hollow and untrue. No matter how many verses you cut-and-paste (or don't), the lie of KJVO remains a lie.

In Christ,
Trotter
 
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gb93433

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Originally posted by michelle:


Well, if this is true, then you should reject the KJB and warn others of it, rather than compromising with what you believe to be an error, and additions to the word of God, to which he clearly warns NOT TO DO.
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You are right. That is the reason why I do not use the translation that is tempered by Anglican theology. I much prefer to use the NT and OT in the Hebrew and Greek texts too.
 
Dr. Bob

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Oh happy day; Michelle is back. Tony - Play nice.
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Trotter

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You mean you hadn't noticed, Dr.Bob? All of a sudden, threads are having to be shut down at the five-page limit again, and you didn't notice?

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

In Christ,
Trotter
 
AVL1984

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I really am trying to play nice, Dr. Bob...honest! LOL ;) And even though I have, I've already been accused of being a liar and have been told that I didn't understand. Things never change. :eek:
 
Dr. Bob

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Will wait, Ed. You've proven to be able to pull an off-topic thread back towards the center.
 
rsr

rsr

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Sorry, Dr. Bob, but while we wait on Ed, I have a question for michelle.

"Sorry AVL, but the Bible, the scriptures are my sole authority."

But that's not what you said earlier in the thread.

"It only takes belief in Gods word and his promises, and that the church is the pillar of truth. Those verses have been in the churches for thousands of years, even up until this day. So the historical proof is there. Then you have the actual TRUTH in those verses that dictate they are the word of God. Good ol, common sense also has it's take on this issue. If the churches have believed, taught, lived, and knew and know those verses centuries ago , and they have been preserved even until this day, that THOSE VERSES are supposed to be there, and the omittions were only recently accepted since the late 1800's when the texts that underline all modern versions today, do not have them.... "
 
HankD

HankD

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the omittions were only recently accepted since the late 1800's when the texts that underline all modern versions today, do not have them....
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The 1982 New King James is a modern version.

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1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

For example.

HankD
 
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Ed Edwards

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Sorry to be so slow. I just got news that
my tax for the condomenium TRIPLED this year.
That is illegal in Oklahoma. I'll check into
it.

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S.Matthew 17:21 (KJV1611):
Howbeit, this kind goeth not out, but by prayer and fasting.

Some say this is "missing" from the MV that they don't
have to check and see if what someone told them is
true -- Another KJVO double standard?

Here is an MV the HCSB = Holman Christian Standard Bible:
Matthew 17:21 (HCSB):

[However, this kind does not come out except
by prayer and fasting.]*

*HCSB translator's footnote:
17:21 Other mss omit bracketed text; Mk 9:29

Mark 9:29 (HCSB):

And He told them, "This kind can come out
by nothing but prayer [and fasting].*

* HCSB translator's footnote:
9:29 Other mss omit bracketed text

Obviously the KJV translators used a source Bible in Greek
to which the words in Mark 9:29 had been added
as Matthew 17:21. Obviously Matthew 17:21 had been
added to the Greek Bible source of the person who ADDED
the chapter numbers and verse numbers to the text.
Sorry, but there are two sins of adding to God's Written
Word so there are two groups of people who had the plagues
of Revelation added to their life.

Nothing is missing in this Modern Version:
HCSB = Holman Christian Standard Bible (Holman, 2003).
 
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