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Calvinists deny their doctrine and falsely claim the published definitions are wrong. If their doctrine was not wrong, they would not need to use obfuscation.

Is that in dispute? Nope. The fact that Christ only died for the supposedly predestined elect is in dispute. On and on they dance, never owning up to their obviously unbiblical doctrine.

Smoke and smear as if they were not denying the published definitions of Limited Atonement.

[quo9te]The Canons of the Synod of Dort, Second Head of Doctrine, Article 3:[/quote] Non-germane as the document supports that your claims are bogus.

non-germane obfuscation, the issue is Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all and not only for the elect. They just shuck and jive endlessly, attempting to hide that their doctrine is unbiblical.

Yet another denial of the published definitions. On and on they go.

They interpret these verses to refer to all elect men. This effort is Clintonesk, they allow the reader to infer that are saying every person, when they are saying every elect person.

Here presented in a vague and arcane manner is the fact the Calvinists do not believe Christ died for all mankind.

Note the effort to change the subject. I believe Christ died for all mankind, Calvinists deny this fundamental truth, so they generate smoke and smears.

 

He died for all His sheep, every last one of them. But the very statement, "I lay down My life for the sheep" is utterly meaningless if it means that He lays down His life for everybody else as well.

It means that the kingdom of heaven is worth giving everything to enter. Why do you ask? Is it because you are confusing Calvinism with Hyper-Calvinism?

 

What are you trying to say, and how is it relevant?

Well you are claiming to have a perfect knowledge of what monergism is so by your own definition you know nothing about it.

I think you'll find it is.

It appears that you are yourself using imprecise language or you are misunderstanding what I am saying. God the Father elected the Philippian jailor in eternity and gave Him to the Son to redeem which He did at measureless cost. The Holy Spirit drew him irresistibly to Christ. That is monergism- the work of the triune God alone. If the jailor's salvation was contingent in any way upon him not resisting the work of God, then that is God and the jailor working together for his salvation and that is synergism.

 

Well I do see repentance and faith as synergistic works if they are subject to the will of the one believing (ie. resistible). Sorry to break that to you. Perhaps if I repeat part of my last post you will kindly interact with it.

Just to make absolutely sure that I'm understanding your position, am I correct in thinking that while you believe in Prevenient Grace, you do not believe in Irresistible Grace as in the "I" of TULIP?

No. I'm saying that it would be meaningless for the Lord Jesus to say that He lays down His life for the sheep if in fact He lays down His life for the goats as well. Moreover, He tells the Pharisees, "You are not of My sheep" (John 10:26). Implication: "I did not lay down My life for you".

So who are the Lord's sheep? Well, they are a special breed, distinguished by their ears and their feet.

"My sheep hear My voice and they follow Me" (John 10:27). Those for whom He died are the ones who come to hear His voice and follow Him. They are (v.28) the ones who have eternal life, who shall never perish, who will never be snatched out of the Lord's hands. Again, the verse is meaningless if the goats hear His voice and follow Him as well.

I am quite happy with what I wrote. Read Deuteronomy 4:29; Isaiah 55:1.

I sought the Lord, and afterwards I knew,
He moved my soul to seek Him seeking me.
It was not that I found, O Saviour true;
For I was found by Thee.

Thou didst reach forth Thy hand and mine enfold;
I walked, and sank not, on the storm-vexed sea.
'Twas not so much that I on Thee took hold,
As Thou, dear Lord, on me.

I find, I walk, I love, but Oh, the whole
Of love is but my answer, Lord, to Thee!
For long beforehand Thou didst bless my soul;
And ever hast loved me.

 

That is quite correct. It's good to know that you have a dictionary at home.
Now will you please answer the question that I asked?
Is it correct that you believe in Prevenient Grace but not in Irresistible Grace?

 

James 5

19My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, 20let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

Obviously God is incapable lacking the omnipotence of providing anyone with the ability of saving souls.

I could be wrong.


I don't even recall providing myself with he ability to do evil, creating myself, my heart beats.....I haven't a clue how to do that, that's all God.


If the nature of man has a sin nature, we have a dilemma because for Jesus to be 100% man he has to have our 100% sin nature. else you have to concede the standard of man has no sin nature, after all sin is UNnatural. Or else Jesus was complete human and sinned.

 

Well lets crank it up a notch.

Given that sin is unnatural, then identify what is human nature since it is not evil.

If the intrinsic substance or capability of man is a nature with an absence of evil, then what are his capabilities when they are not evil.

Matthew 16
24Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. 25“For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26“For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 27“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.


Anyone who wants to be saved, a sentiment incapable of the totally depraved, is going to lose their life.

Do you have any responsibility on your own soul?

I see its very hard to split the hair difference if any between accountability and responsibility.

If anything goes wrong its all your fault, if anything goes right its not because you didn't do anything wrong.

 

Well that is what I wanted to be completely sure of. Resistible grace is the essence of synergism. God will do His bit, but unless Man does his, be it never so passively, there's no salvation. Man and God have got to work together.
End of story.

 

I think you'll find He did. Try a syllogism:
1. The Lord Jesus lays down His life for the sheep.
2. The Pharisees are not His sheep.
3. The Lord Jesus does not lay down His life for the Pharisees.
If Christ lays down His life for every single person, there is simply no purpose in His saying that He lays down His life for the sheep.

This is how God loved the world; that He gave His Son for the whosoevers.

Well exactly so. The Gospel is preached to everyone. Whoever believes in Christ will be saved, just as whoever looked at the brass serpent would be healed. That is pure Calvinism. There is no possibility of someone trusting in Christ for salvation being rejected because he's not one of the 'elect.' However, the sad fact is that men and women are dead in trespasses and sin so that they will not come to Christ unless God draws them (Jeremiah 31:3; John 6:44)

Not at all. Free Grace doctrines are very simple; it's just that you don't appear to understand them

 

Non-germane as the document supports that your claims are bogus.

non-germane obfuscation, the issue is Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all and not only for the elect. They just shuck and jive endlessly, attempting to hide that their doctrine is unbiblical.

Yet another denial of the published definitions. On and on they go.

They interpret these verses to refer to all elect men. This effort is Clintonesk, they allow the reader to infer that are saying every person, when they are saying every elect person.

Here presented in a vague and arcane manner is the fact the Calvinists do not believe Christ died for all mankind.

Note the effort to change the subject. I believe Christ died for all mankind, Calvinists deny this fundamental truth, so they generate smoke and smears.[/QUOTE]

Again and again in the Bible, God proclaims to us that he has chosen out for Himself a peculair people, his own chosen remnant, first in Israel, and now in the Church..

Jesus said that he came for Hos own, and that he would be the great shpard over His own, and those outside of Him would not hear His voice...

How much clearer can this be?

 

Human nature is evil. "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts.....etc." (Matthew 7:11; Luke 11:13).

Then you might glance at Romans 3:9-20.