Mixing the Metaphors

[Martin Marprelate]

@JD731,
Thank you for your reply. We shall not agree, alas. I believe that in order to establish the truth of any given Scripture, it is best to compare it with other Scriptures, which is what I have done.
You write:

I have read enough of the posts of people who post on this board regularly to know that not a single person will believe this is actual on God's part. He is showing the kingdom in a metaphor so we can all see it.

Perhaps the fact that no one here agrees with you might give you pause to consider whether your understanding is the correct one (Matthew 18:16; Proverbs 11:14).

 

[JD731]

@JD731,
Thank you for your reply. We shall not agree, alas. I believe that in order to establish the truth of any given Scripture, it is best to compare it with other Scriptures, which is what I have done.
You write:

Perhaps the fact that no one here agrees with you might give you pause to consider whether your understanding is the correct one (Matthew 18:16; Proverbs 11:14).

The entire history of the world is established on this principle. The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ was on the fifth day. It is also the introduction of the grace of God whereby the gospel of God, the theme of the NT, begins to be preached to the nations. The number 5 is the number of God for grace.and the first line of text that shows up in the scriptures that is addressed to the nations goes like this;

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

The definition of the gospel of God is given here:

Rom 16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

If you want to know what Paul means that he is separated unto the gospel of God, see here;

Ga 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles (the gospel of God), but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Separation means, not a difference in the gospel of Jesus Christ, but a difference in the intended audience. The Jewish apostles continued to evangelize those of the stock of Jacob in the region of Judah and Asia Minor. Read the letters of Peter, James, John, and Jude. They wrote to the strangers, the twelve tribes scattered abroad. None of these apostles went to Europe where the gentiles live. Only Paul went there to tell them that now, since Jesus Christ has made an atonement for their sins , and God the Father has accepted it on our behalf, all can be saved. So, the gospel of God, the gospel of grace, was dependent upon the gospel of Christ. And that is what we are told in Romans 1.

The gospel of God concerns the gospel of Jesus Christ; Read it.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

In other words, there would be no salvation for the gentiles if there had not been the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ in our place.

Paul is specifically called and equipped to be our apostle and to tell us in his letters what God expects from us.

Romans 15:15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God,
16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
17 I have therefore whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God.
18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,

So God for 4000 years, or four of his days, has prepared the world for his salvation, and is busy presenting his salvation systematically in his last three days. At the end of the three days, all that are left alive on the earth will be saved and glorified and those who would not be saved will be destroyed. God cannot fail in his purpose and at the end of day 7 time shall be no more.

 

[John of Japan]

The reason I mention the posters on this forum is because for a long time I have read the comments and philosophies of these folk and now know how they think. I do not have to guess about what they believe and teach. I know of not a single regular poster on this forum who understands and believes that the physical and historic Israel is a real and eternal entity with specific and detailed prophecies about them that is not shared with any other entity and those things that are prophesied about them that have not already come to pass will surely be realized sometimes in the future. This is as sure as the God of heaven who made the prophesies.

I am a dispensationalist, and have always differed between Israel and the church on the BB and elsewhere.

 

[John of Japan]

No, because I am commanded not to.

"Not giving heed to Jewish Fables" Titus 1:14.

I'm not sure how anyone could misinterpret Titus 1:14 any more than this. Recognizing Israel and the church as different is a "Jewish fable"? Really?

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

I'm not sure how anyone could misinterpret Titus 1:14 any more than this. Recognizing Israel and the church as different is a "Jewish fable"? Really?

Yup.

Dispensationalism: A Return to Biblical Theology
or Pseudo Christian Cult?

Philip Mauro's The Hope of Israel: Chapter XIX.

Philip Mauro's The Hope of Israel: Chapter XIII.

 

[JD731]

I am a dispensationalist, and have always differed between Israel and the church on the BB and elsewhere.

I know that, John of Japan. You however are not a regular poster on "Baptist theology and Bible study" the tab of which I was referencing. And where I post mostly.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

New thread;
"Do not interpretations belong to God?" #1,
Amillennialism: A Word Direct From The Scriptures.

 

[John of Japan]

Yup.

Dispensationalism: A Return to Biblical Theology
or Pseudo Christian Cult?

Philip Mauro's The Hope of Israel: Chapter XIX.

Philip Mauro's The Hope of Israel: Chapter XIII.

"fable" --
"μῦθος in the NT always in a negative sense myth; (1) legend, fable ( 2P 1.16), opposite λόγος (declaration, assertion); (2) fiction, myth (2T 4.4), opposite ἀλήθεια (truth)," from Friberg's Analytical Greek Lexicon, accessed in BibleWorks.

This hardly describes the doctrine that the church and Israel are separate entities.

Furthermore, none of the three links you gave use either "fable" or "myth."

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Furthermore, none of the three links you gave use either "fable" or "myth."

Then, I'll call these 6 comments, from the O.P., either "fables" or "myths", with the two in bold red about God are more or less original with JD731, I guess;

1.)

I know of not a single regular poster on this forum who understands and believes that the physical and historic Israel is a real and eternal entity

2.)

with specific and detailed prophecies about them that is not shared with any other entity

3.)

and those things that are prophesied about them that have not already come to pass will surely be realized sometimes in the future.

4.)

This is as sure as the God of heaven who made the prophesies.

5.)

Israel, OTOH, is the physical family of God who was established by an everlasting covenant that promised their perpetual existence as a nation with land boundaries clearly laid out in that covenant.

6.)

These covenant promises cannot fail unless God who promised them can fail.

Does anyone agree with this evaluation of the circumstances?

No, because I am commanded not to.

"Not giving heed to Jewish Fables" Titus 1:14.

There are a couple of good points, here, for starters: Biblical Spirituality #3; Promises to Abraham of Canaan Land are for the New Heaven and New Earth.


This excerpt is from this book;
https://www.brethrenarchive.org/med...n-examination-of-modern-dispensationalism.pdf
and this article made from it is at my wordpress blog page, in 2018:
1.0.3b The Gospel of The Kingdom #1; 20th Century ‘Dispensationalism’ is practically identical to LOST 1st Century JEWS who CRUCIFIED JESUS


The Gospel of The Kingdom #1;

They start out saying;

20th Century
‘Dispensationalism’ is practically identical
to LOST 1st Century JEWS
who CRUCIFIED JESUS.
…
CHAPTER ONE

TWENTIETH-CENTURY DISPENSATIONALISM:

WHAT AND WHENCE?

For some of our readers a definition of modern dispensationalism will be a necessity, and for all it will be a convenience.

TWENTIETH CENTURY DISPENSATIONALISM has been defined as “that system of doctrine which divides the history of God’s dealings with the world into periods of time, called “dispensations’.”

And it is an essential tenet of the system that “in each dispensation, God deals with man upon a plan different from the plan of the other dispensations.

. . Each dispensation is a thing entirely apart from the others, and, when one period succeeds another, there is a radical change of character and governing principles.” (Rock or Sand, Which?, by Matthew Francis).

For example, we are told that the present era is “the dispensation of Grace,”and the last preceding was”the dispensation of Law”;

and therefore the teachers of the new system strain their ingenuity to show that there was no Grace (?) in the preceding “dispensation,” and there is no law now;

whereas there is all the law of God now that there ever was, and there was an abundance of the Grace of God in the “former times.”

In elaborating this crude system of error, the greatest harm has been done to the Revealed Truth of God concerning this present era of the Gospel.

According to the Prophecies of the Old Testament and the Apostolical Scriptures of the New, as they have always been understood heretofore, this is the long-looked-for era of the Kingdom of God, foretold by the prophets.

As Peter stated, “All the prophets from Samuel, and those that follow after as many as have spoken, have likewise”–he had just referred to Moses–“spoken OF THESE DAYS” (Acts 3:24);

and in Peter’s first Epistle, he declares that the things now reported by those who Preach the Gospel with the Holy Ghost Sent Down from Heaven, are the very things, including the Salvation of souls, that were ministered in times past by the Prophets;

and that it was the Very Same “Spirit of Christ that was in them,” Who now Empowers the Gospel Preachers
(I Peter 1:9-12).

Likewise, Paul emphatically declared that in all his Preaching (which even the extremest dispensationalists acknowledge belonging to this era of grace) he had said “none other things than those which the Prophets and Moses did say should Come” (Acts 26:22).

But according to “dispensational teaching” this Present Age is “a mystery,” a gap of unmeasured length intervening between the past era of the natural Israel, and a future era in which (so it is taught) that apostate nation will be reconstituted and its earthly Glories will be restored and enhanced.

( AWARE of The GODHEAD Comment: That is ‘fighting ground’, for millions who buy that, BUT IT IS NOWHERE TO BE SEEN, IN GOD’S WORDS.

THAT IS NOT WHAT GOD HAS REVEALED

or WHAT GOD WOULD HAVE US UNDERSTAND,
from HIS ETERNAL WORDS. )

In the DISPENSATIONALISM ‘system’ of ‘interpretation’, which has been defined as

“that system of doctrine which divides the history of God’s dealings with the world into periods called “dispensations’, We are told that “this gospel era was not in the view of the Prophets at all;” and this is maintained despite the plain statements of Scripture just cited above and of others to the same effect.

One of the unhappiest of the results of this violent wrenching of the “things the angels desire to look into” from the place to which the Word of God Assigns them, is that “the Kingdom of God” in its entirety, including “the Gospel of the Kingdom” (Mat. 24:14; Acts 20:25; 28:31) has been transferred bodily from this Present Age, and “postponed” to a hypothetical and mythical “dispensation” yet to come.

This surely is a matter of such importance as to demand the most earnest attention of every Saint of God;

because it does violence to both the Old Testament and the New Testament.

Tons and tons more in .pdf;
https://www.brethrenarchive.org/med...n-examination-of-modern-dispensationalism.pdf

 

[JD731]

@Alan Dale Gross

Alan, your skill set involves searching out what other men say and what they write about the scriptures. It seems you have no ability to discern them for yourself. The scriptures tell us to "prove all things." This instruction presupposes that we have a standard by which we might prove those things. I have proven to myself that the Baptist Bride position on the scriptures, which seems to be your theology, and also the Calvinist position, as being more than just a disagreement between Christians, but a whole different set of doctrines that are incompatible the one with the other on almost every point. If one is correct and brings salvation then the other is wrong and cannot save. God gives physical and observable evidence in the unfolding drama of redemption recorded by him in the scriptures.

My thread is about mixing the metaphors. I have given examples of how the mind of God works and I know I am right about these things because they are provable. I know that this is true because it does not matter where I go in the 66 books God has given to us, this principle of metaphorical thought is consistent and does apply.

If a man does not study the scriptures for himself, giving himself to meditation on them and prayer for understanding, and relies only on the writings of other men, then he is not believing God, but men, even if he happens to believe something that is true.

You are arguing with me, not because of what God says, but because of what your author of the book you are quoting says. You are quoting your authority for your doctrines. Many of these authors are at best, poor teachers and at worse, liars.

Metaphors = Prophecy spelled out and recorded and preserved right before our eyes that we might see in advance if we have light.

Gen 22 - God instructs Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac and Abraham willingly and without question obeys God
Gen 23 - Abraham (God the Father) -looks for a field (the world) to bury Sarah his wife (Israel) who has died. - (think the last two thousand years)
He finds the cave of Machpelah to bury Sarah and not only buys the cave but the whole field where the cave was found (the world) with the trees (people).
Ge 24 - Abraham - (God the Father) after the burial sends his un-named servant (the Holy Ghost) to close kin to acquire a wife for Isaac (Jesus Christ his son)
He finds Rebekah (the church), and tells her of the riches of his master, and she willingly follows the servant to him, having never seen him, who rides out in the way to meet her and to take her to his Father's house (the rapture) for the wedding;.
Abraham then marries Keturah and has nations as offspring.

Matt 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure (Sarah) hid in a field (the world); the which when a man (our Lord Jesus Christ) hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth (redemption) that field.

He buys the entire field in order to get the treasure that is scattered in it.
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Time out to see this:
Mt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
(This is on Wednesday evening on the last week of the ministry of Jesus on earth and after he has left the temple for the last time)
Pay attention here:

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Scattered? The elect here are the treasure in the earth, those of Israel, who are saved. The angels gather them to Israel from all over the world. This happens when Jesus returns and puts down all sin and all sinners.
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Now God the Father has commentary from the angelic realm on this providential action that overwhelms them and he has shared it with us, if we will receive it. Here it is;

Ep 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Let me just say that the purpose included the salvation of gentiles and Jews but the manifestation of his wisdom that both are in one body when they are saved, the body of Christ, as equally sons of God, and standing apart from both Jews and gentiles outside the body, both of whom have their own destiny and appointments with God that differs greatly from the church of Jesus Christ. Those appointments are defined in the prophecies of the OT and are not mysteries. They are plainly spoken.


Psalm 135:4
For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.

This 3 year period, beginning with the gospel of Jesus Christ at his baptism Mk 1:1, is the definition of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven and are comprehensibly described chronologically, beginning to end, in the seven parables of Matt 13.

God reveals himself in a circle. Never ending. Over and over. A man with the Spirit of God in him and a KJV Bible should not be deceived.

I am trusting that the Lord Jesus will be exalted and glorified by my post here and that men will see that the Bible Jesus is the only way to God and that any and all in the world may come by faith in him because he has bought the whole world.

Be sure you are properly related to God the Father as a son through Jesus Christ and not just a deceived religious zealot.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Since this was the only scripture you mentioned in your O.P.

It was not the church of Jesus Christ to whom the prophets of old wrote and said the following;

Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.

I thought that trying on some Bible and its teachings might be able to help you learn something, but you have too many things you'd have to unlearn, first, like that you think you know something.

Try some Bible on for size: #5 - The Hope of Israel, What is It? by Philip Mauro - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library

& pop into some of these and peruse them to your heart's content.

Alan, your skill set involves searching out what other men say and what they write about the scriptures. It seems you have no ability to discern them for yourself.

Then, again maybe I happen to know you can NOT handle most anything I have to share, because you have gotten so inspired and entangled in applying your own notions to scriptures where there is no warrant for them in the verses themselves that you hardly get any of the gist of why they are there to start with, which is not for you to just suggest everything is a metaphor for your metaphors you come up with and call them The Mind of God that He was nice enough to show only you and if you don't believe you are always proven to be right, just ask you.

I have proven to myself

Oh boy, there it is again.

I have given examples of how the mind of God works and I know I am right about these things because they are provable.

O. M. G.

You are arguing with me, not because of what God says, but because of what your author of the book you are quoting says.

I offered you a secondary source material that is a brilliant classic, because you're a loose cannon, which is precious little value, in your current self- imposed calling of rewriting The Bible, to whatever hits your fancy at the moment, based on wild, rash guesswork.

God reveals himself in a circle. Never ending. Over and over.

Wild, rash, guesswork.

Be sure you are properly related to God the Father as a son through Jesus Christ and not just a deceived religious zealot.

I`d ask you to turn that around where it'll do some good, but YOU would want to accuse ME of questioning your salvation.

Bible Jesus is the only way to God and that any and all in the world may come by faith in him because he has bought the whole world.

Jesus bought the whole world.

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Scattered? The elect here are the treasure in the earth, those of Israel, who are saved. The angels gather them to Israel from all over the world. This happens when Jesus returns and puts down all sin and all sinners.

Matthew 24: 27 thru 31, is Jesus answers to the disciples second question of three, in 24:3, when they asked Him "what shall be the sign of His coming", which is not referring to Jesus` Coming Again, at the End of Time, which He replies to in His answer to their third question.

Jesus had just told the disciples about the Temple being torn down, with not having one stone left on another. It is that time that Jesus gives His answer to and starts by speaking of His coming in Providential Judgment on the Jews in A.D. 70,, as He used the Roman army to destroy the Temple.

Mt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The Romans army through which Jesus came and brought Judgment on the Jews were fast, seemingly as lightening and covered the horizon when they showed up, as if from the east to the west.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

The carcases were of the Jews who`d been killed, among that dead fig tree being dried up and the Romans marched under the banner of an eagle they had painted on their shieds.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

As in Joseph`s dream where he saw heavenly bodies bowing down to him, these emblems of the sun, moon, and stars represented those rulers in authority, being moved and shaken out of their positions of having effective authority, after the devastating destruction that took place in that tribulation, in those days the Temple was torn down.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The sign of the Son of man was in the destructive power of the Roman army as Jesus used them to bring Judgment on those who had crucified Him.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

God`s witnesses going forth as His messages to preach the Gospel would gather in the Elect, because those days were shortened so they would live long enough to be saved.

Now, you see why I don`t bother talking much directly to you about The Bible? You're not ready and able. It's too soon. The truth shakes all over you, like Saul`s Armour on David.

Give up one word first, which you won't do, because you are too dependant on the control it gives you, to just say you got everything figured out, in Dispensationalism, which is that one word you don`t have any use for otherwise. It's off in the head. Chuck it. It's puke to the Author of The Words of God.

 

[John of Japan]

Then, I'll call these 6 comments, from the O.P., either "fables" or "myths", with the two in bold red about God are more or less original with JD731, I guess;

Is JD731 a Jew? Was he alive before AD 60 or thereabouts? That's around when Titus was written. If the answer to these two questions is "No" (and it is), then you are twisting Scripture by using the term in opposition to his theology. Surely you don't want to be someone who twists Scripture.

Since the Jews in the time that Paul wrote Titus did not believe Jesus was the Christ, did not believe in the Rapture, were not Dispensationalists, etc., etc., your charge of "Jewish fables" is completely bogus.

"These are not the Jewish fables you are looking for...."

 

[kyredneck]

I would hazard to say that some dispensationalists and some covenant theologians would agree that there is some type of metaphor between Israel and the Church.

"'Tis ordinarily said, that the Jews were a typical people, the whole divine economy toward them is doctrinal and instructive to us, not immediately or literally, but by way of Anagogy" - Henry Hammond

 

[JD731]

"'Tis ordinarily said, that the Jews were a typical people, the whole divine economy toward them is doctrinal and instructive to us, not immediately or literally, but by way of Anagogy" - Henry Hammond

I am talking metaphors here, ky. In this post I will give one that pictures something you do not believe and have declared it often. We might want to call this a similitude, but it is basically the same as a metaphor.

Ho 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

I will set this up but will just make it known without too much of my commentary in this post. It concerns the Revelation of Jesus Christ and how he has previewed his coming to put down sin and sinners and to rule for ever and ever over the earth. The Revelation strangely does not contain the word believe or believeth, or believing or belief and it only has the word faith 4 times in the whole epistle, the last of which is in Re 14:12. This verse and place in the Revelation marks the end of opportunity to be saved by faith. After this is the wrath of God poured out on his enemies the likes that has never been known. This is a major transition in time and activity of God.

The number 14 in the scriptures is God's number for full salvation and the number 12 is his number for his perfect government. This is why the number 11 has been so prominent in the history of Israel. It is the number that falls short of the glory of God. They never attained his government because of their sin.

I will say that the word unbelieving (it is a noun) is in Re 21:8.

God has given us a preview of what he has laid out beginning with verse 13. We are told that Jesus, the Lamb, comes and deals with the armies and in chapter 15 the saints sings the song of Moses and the song of the Lamb Look! This seems to be the song.

Re 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

Since the events with Moses is obviously set as a metaphor for these events and is a preview, I am going to quote the song of Moses. Notice they are both in a chapter 15, the number for victory.

1 ¶ Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.
2 The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father’s God, and I will exalt him.
3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
4 Pharaoh’s chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.
5 The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone.
6 Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.
7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble.
8 And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.
9 The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them.
10 Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters.
11 Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?
12 Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.
13 Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation.
14 The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina.
15 Then the dukes of Edom shall be amazed; the mighty men of Moab, trembling shall take hold upon them; all the inhabitants of Canaan shall melt away.
16 Fear and dread shall fall upon them; by the greatness of thine arm they shall be as still as a stone; till thy people pass over, O LORD, till the people pass over, which thou hast purchased.
17 Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance, in the place, O LORD, which thou hast made for thee to dwell in, in the Sanctuary, O Lord, which thy hands have established.
18 The LORD shall reign for ever and ever.
19 For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them; but the children of Israel went on dry land in the midst of the sea.
20 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
21 And Miriam answered them, Sing ye to the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.

Ec 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Ponder these things.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

The Jewish Fables all involve the fig tree that Jesus dried up, which withered away, and the thinking that it will be restored and bear fruit, again. The Jewish economy of being God's Chosen people, with their sacrifices and worship in the Temple has ceased and it gone forever, never to be reinstated, apart from a remnant that will be saved. When Jesus returns all lost goats will be cast into the Lake of Fire with all lost Jews and there is no second chance for them.

Is JD731 a Jew? Was he alive before AD 60 or thereabouts?

then you are twisting Scripture by using the term in opposition to his theology.

Surely you don't want to be someone who twists Scripture.

Since the Jews in the time that Paul wrote Titus did not believe Jesus was the Christ, did not believe in the Rapture, were not Dispensationalists, etc., etc., your charge of "Jewish fables" is completely bogus.

"These are not the Jewish fables you are looking for...."

These are all Jewish Fables;

1.)

I know of not a single regular poster on this forum who understands and believes that the physical and historic Israel is a real and eternal entity

2.)

with specific and detailed prophecies about them that is not shared with any other entity

3.)

and those things that are prophesied about them that have not already come to pass will surely be realized sometimes in the future.

4.)

This is as sure as the God of heaven who made the prophesies.

5.)

Israel, OTOH, is the physical family of God who was established by an everlasting covenant that promised their perpetual existence as a nation with land boundaries clearly laid out in that covenant.

6.)

These covenant promises cannot fail unless God who promised them can fail.

 

[JD731]

The Jewish Fables all involve the fig tree that Jesus dried up, which withered away, and the thinking that it will be restored and bear fruit, again. The Jewish economy of being God's Chosen people, with their sacrifices and worship in the Temple has ceased and it gone forever, never to be reinstated, apart from a remnant that will be saved. When Jesus returns all lost goats will be cast into the Lake of Fire with all lost Jews and there is no second chance for them.

I have no joy in your confusion. I wish I could help.

 

[John of Japan]

The Jewish Fables all involve the fig tree that Jesus dried up, which withered away, and the thinking that it will be restored and bear fruit, again. The Jewish economy of being God's Chosen people, with their sacrifices and worship in the Temple has ceased and it gone forever, never to be reinstated, apart from a remnant that will be saved. When Jesus returns all lost goats will be cast into the Lake of Fire with all lost Jews and there is no second chance for them.

Wait, so you think the parable of the fig tree is a Jewish fable???