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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JD731, Sep 4, 2024.

  1. Alan Dale Gross

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    No, because I am commanded not to.

    "Not giving heed to Jewish Fables" Titus 1:14.

    Try some Bible on for size: #5 - The Hope of Israel, What is It? by Philip Mauro - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library

    & pop into some of these and peruse them to your heart's content.

    They are Bible based; not just rash guesses and speculative surmisings
    from the reasonings of a mind affected by the curse of the law

    that think they "know" something
    and are not in subjection to The Lordship of Christ and His Holy Spirit Led Bible passages;

    Philip Mauro's The Hope of Israel: Table of Contents. (acu.edu)
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    Really! How do you suggest I answer that? And please tell me why it is a sensible post.
     
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    1) Anytime someone claims to be a mind-reader, saying they know others do not believe Romans 15:8, you know the claim is nonsense.

    2) Jesus is a minister or servant of the circumcision, or put another way Jesus is the servant of the Jews who believe. Many Christians I expect believe that, as I do.

    3) The verse says God's promises to the "fathers," believing Jews such as Abraham, have been confirmed. The verse does NOT say those promises did not include the Gentiles. Just read Romans 15:8-12.
     
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    JD731 said:
    Here is what the OT says about the events of the ministry of Christ;

    Ro 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

    Nobody on this Baptist board believes that verse, Romans 15:8. Nobody here believes it.

    No, that is an error. If you want to put it another accurate way, say it this way;

    Lu 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    Here is another way that is accurate;

    Lu 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
    26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
    27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

    And check this most accurate way to say it;

    Heb 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the (Hebrew) fathers by the prophets,
    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us (Hebrews) by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds (Aions);

    In the last days of his ministry to the Hebrews, he says this;

    Mt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    It is best just to haul off and believe Paul knew of what he spoke in Romans 15:8. Jesus in his earthly ministry was the minister of the circumcision, the Hebrews, the Jews, The house of Israel. His post resurrection ministry is extended in time to gentiles but only through his apostles and prophets and their writings. Romans was written in 58 AD, not very long before the apostolic era ended.

    Additionally, all the scriptures that were addressed to gentiles and written by Paul, the hand chosen apostle to the gentiles by Jesus Christ, (one of the 3 qualifications of an apostle BTW) were for the purpose of revealing the mysteries of this age. Mysteries because the doctrines of God in this age were not given in the Old Testament and were hidden in God the Father where no one could know them unless he revealed them.

    THINK!!!
     
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    Hold up there, ky. Not so quick. Don't you think there is a reason the believers in the church at Ephesus and Cyprus was more liable than, say the church in Philippi, to give heed to Jewish fables? Do you understand that the province of Asia was loaded with those of the stock of Abraham through Jacob, the ten misplaced tribes of the nation Israel since the 7th century BC? The place was full of synagogues and some of the fiercest enemies of Christianity in the Acts are from that region. Read the history in Acts and see for yourself. These guys were those who troubled the Galatians with law keeping and John would speak of the Judaizers in this way when he wrote his epistle.

    1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
    Read Acts 14 & 15 and if someone offers you Philip Mauro's book, run like it is a timber rattler.
     
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    I understand and believe that Israel is a physical nation and will always be beloved of God as a nation in the temporal, or earthly sense;
    For the sake of their elect fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
    They have prophecies yet to be fulfilled, and many that have already been fulfilled.

    I also understand that the "Israel of God", which is a spiritual "nation" made up of God's elect ( both Jews and Gentiles that have been "grafted together" into one "tree", see Romans 11, 1 Corinthians 12:12-13, Galatians 3:7-14, Ephesians 2:11-17 ), have their own set of prophecies and blessings that some have already been fulfilled, and some have yet to be so.

    The subject rarely comes up, so I've not posted much on it.

    In addition, God's children can and do come to understand the Scriptures for themselves over time, so I'm confident that they will begin to see the difference between "Israel" and Israel in their studies.
     
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    My people, make me think of Amos 3:1,2

    ? Does, "That Whom he did foreknow," apply R 8:29? That is my thought.
     
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    I don't know that they were.

    It was far more than just Asia, JD.

    21 For Moses from generations of old hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath. Acts 15

    5 Now there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. Acts 2

    15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Rev 17

    There was nothing small or insignificant about the 'Jewish arrangement' of that day.
     
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    8 And how hear we, every man in our own language wherein we were born?
    9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, in Judaea and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia,
    10 in Phrygia and Pamphylia, in Egypt and the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
    11 Cretans and Arabians, we hear them speaking in our tongues the mighty works of God. Acts 2
     
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    Too late! I'm a big fan of his writings from the early 20th century.

    "Philip Mauro

    FAMOUS PATENT LAWYER | SUPREME COURT LAWYER | PREPARED BRIEFS FOR SCOPES TRIAL | WAS ON CARPATHIA DURING RESCUE OF RMS TITANIC SURVIVORS

    As far as twentieth century Christian figures are concerned, Philip Mauro stands out as one of the most captivating. After coming to a saving knowledge of the Lord in 1903, at the age of forty five, Mauro, a member of the bar of the Supreme Court of the United States and one of the foremost patent lawyers of his day, began his “Testimony” of what was to him the most important event in his life.

    His repeated successes in courts of law, coupled with his legal briefs, could not but gain recognition, for they were “models of accuracy, conciseness, and literary finish.” As such, they were “frequently used by judges in the text of their decisions.” Perhaps one of the most important occasions where his legal work was requisitioned was in connection with the famous Tennessee-Scopes trial in 1925. The argument which William Jennings Bryan used, and thereby won the case, was prepared by Philip Mauro.

    His early twentieth century was a period of great expansion for many errors, such as Dispensationalism and Anglo Israelism. Mauro’s book, “The Hope of Israel,” which was written three years prior to the Scopes trial, stands as a testament to his astute mind and sharp pen, most dashing in the face of the most formidable adversaries. Rising to the forefront of Christianity’s great struggle against these foes, he applied the preparation God had given him, and scored great victories for sound doctrine."
     
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    "FOREWORD

    "NOT GIVING HEED TO JEWISH FABLES" (Titus 1:14).

    Jewish fables (literally, myths) are no new thing. Paul has plainly warned the household of faith not to give heed thereto. He has not given us a list of those grievous heresies; but it is well known that the one that was most fondly cherished, and that constituted the gravest menace to the truth of the gospel, was the notion that the leading purpose of the mission of the coming Messiah would be the reconstitution of the Jewish nation and its elevation to the highest pinnacle of earthly dominion and glory; for that fatuous doctrine was the cornerstone of orthodox Judaism in Paul's day; and because of his sturdy opposition to it he was persecuted, his enemies plotted to take his life, and he was sent a prisoner to Rome. No wonder that, during the term of his imprisonment there, he wrote to Titus his plain-spoken warning against "Jewish fables."

    Such being the case, we question if there be anything in all the long history of Christianity that is more difficult to account for than the fact that that particular fable, concerning the purpose of Christ's mission to the Jewish people, has become the central feature of a system of doctrine which, in this 20th century of our era, has found numerous and zealous advocates amongst orthodox Christians. In view of this extraordinary phenomenon, it surely behooves those who take the Holy Scriptures for their guide and instructor in all matters of faith and doctrine, to search them with the utmost care "whether these things be so." This [5] last chapter of the present volume, something fresh upon that subject of perennial interest. Enough at this point to say that, as the author now sees it, the great question concerning the Millennium is not When? but Where? [6]"
     
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