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"Not giving heed to Jewish Fables" Titus 1:14.

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& pop into some of these and peruse them to your heart's content.

They are Bible based; not just rash guesses and speculative surmisings
from the reasonings of a mind affected by the curse of the law
that think they "know" something
and are not in subjection to The Lordship of Christ and His Holy Spirit Led Bible passages;
Philip Mauro's The Hope of Israel: Table of Contents. (acu.edu)

• Title Page, p. 3.
• Copyright Page, p. 4.
• Foreword, pp. 5-6.
• Contents, pp. 7-8.

• Chapter I, pp. 9-13.
  • The Nature and Importance of the Question, pp. 9-13.
• Chapter II, pp. 14-25.
  • How Are the O. T. Prophecies of Blessing to Israel to Be Interpreted? pp. 14-18.
  • An Illustration from Zechariah, pp. 18-25.
• Chapter III, pp. 26-32.
  • How the O. T. Prophecies Concerning Israel Are Interpreted by Paul, pp. 26-32.
• Chapter IV, pp. 33-37.
  • What the Fathers of Israel Were Looking For, pp. 33-37.
• Chapter V, pp. 38-53.
  • God's Warnings through Moses to His Earthly People, pp. 38-49.
  • What the Apostles Were Looking For, pp. 49-52.
  • Erroneous Teachings Concerning the Sinaitic Covenant, pp. 52-53.
• Chapter VI, pp. 54-61.
  • God's Warnings through Moses (Continued), pp. 54-58.
  • The Important of the Right Understanding of These Prophecies, pp. 58-59.
  • The Kingdom Foretold by Moses, pp. 59-61.
• Chapter VII, pp. 62-75.
  • God's Promises to the Children of Israel Fulfilled by Joshua, pp. 62-68.
  • From the Desert to the River Euphrates, pp. 68-72.
  • "The Son of the Bondwoman Shall Not Be Heir," pp. 72-73.
  • The Period of the Judges, pp. 73-75.

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• Chapter VIII, pp. 76-83.
  • Salvation in Zion, pp. 76-79.
  • The Sure Mercies of David, pp. 79-83.

• Chapter IX, pp. 84-93.
  • The Travail of Zion, pp. 84-86.
  • A Voice from the Temple, pp. 87-90.
  • Isaiah's Prophecy as a Whole, pp. 90-92.
  • The New Nation a Resurrection, pp. 92-93.

• Chapter X, pp. 94-102.
  • The New Covenant, pp. 94-96.
  • The New Covenant People, pp. 96-97.
  • In That Day, pp. 98-102.

• Chapter XI, pp. 103-112.
  • Ezekiel's Prophecies: The Doom of Jerusalem. The Branch. The Shepherd of Israel. The Valley of Death, pp. 103-110.
  • The Valley of Dry Bones, pp. 110-112.

• Chapter XII, pp. 113-136.
  • Ezekiel's Temple; Waters Flowing from the House; Where Did the Spirit Descend at Pentecost? pp. 113-114.
  • Is It the Plan of a Temple for the Millennium? pp. 114-117.
  • The Vision, pp. 117-118.
  • The Purpose of the Vision, pp. 118-120.
  • Was the Pattern Shown to Ezekiel Followed? pp. 121-122.
  • Where Did the Spirit Descend at Pentecost? pp. 122-123.
  • The Temple the Place, p. 124.
  • "Continually in the Temple," pp. 125-127.
  • The Day of Pentecost, pp. 127-129.
  • The Service of the Feast of Pentecost, pp. 129-132.
  • The Source of the Living Waters, pp. 132-133.
  • "Go Speak in the Temple All the Words of This Life," p. 134.
  • Living Waters Flowing from the House of God, pp. 134-135.
  • A Great Difference, pp. 135-136.

• Chapter XIII, pp. 137-153.
  • What the N. T. Teaches as to Future Mercy for the Jews, pp. 137-148.
  • The Figure of the Olive Tree, pp. 148-150.
  • Until the Fulness of the Gentiles Be Come In, pp. 150-153.

• Chapter XIV, pp. 154-168.

• "The Hope of the Gospel." Christ's Personal Teaching, pp. 154-155.
• Another Hope, pp. 155-156.
• Not in the New Testament, pp. 156-157.
• No Second Chance, pp. 157-160.
• The Personal Teaching of Christ, pp. 160-168.

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• Chapter XV, pp. 169-183.
  • Other N. T. Passages on the Future of Israel, p. 169.
  • The Teaching of Paul, pp. 169-176.
  • The Disciples' Question in Acts I, pp. 176-180.
  • As to the "Tribulation Saints", pp. 180-183.

• Chapter XVI, pp. 184-196.
  • Where Is the Promise of His Coming? pp. 184-186.
  • The Promise of His Coming, pp. 186-196.

• Chapter XVII, pp. 197-211.
  • "The Election Hath Obtained It," pp. 197-198.
  • To Whom Pertain the Promises, pp. 198-199.
  • "The Promises," pp. 199-205.
  • Hath God Cast Away His People? pp. 205-206.
  • The Kingdom of God, pp. 206-208.
  • The Word of Faith Which We Preach, pp. 208-211.

• Chapter XVIII, pp. 212-230.
  • Building Again the Tabernacle of David, pp. 212-214.
  • "After This," pp. 215-216.
  • The Tabernacle of David, pp. 216-218.
  • As Living Stones, pp. 218-220.
  • An Habitation of God, p. 220.
  • Other Details of the Passage, pp. 220-222.
  • George Smith on the Tabernacle of David, pp. 222-229.
  • Calvin's Comment on Micah 4:6, pp. 229-230.

• Chapter XIX, pp. 231-240.
  • "Shall Israel Be Restored as a Nation?" pp. 231-235.
  • Ezekiel's Testimony, pp. 235-236.
  • Isaiah's Testimony, pp. 236-237.
  • The New Testament Scriptures, pp. 237-240.

• Chapter XX, pp. 241-261.
  • Concerning the Millennium, pp. 241-243.
  • Help from the Relativity Theory, pp. 243-244.
  • Dr. Stafford's Study of the Kingdom, pp. 244-246.
  • The Second Death and the First Resurrection, pp. 247-251.
  • Living and Reigning with Christ, pp. 251-252.
  • The Testimony of Paul, pp. 252-257.
  • Satan Bound and Loosed, pp. 257-261.

 

1) Anytime someone claims to be a mind-reader, saying they know others do not believe Romans 15:8, you know the claim is nonsense.

2) Jesus is a minister or servant of the circumcision, or put another way Jesus is the servant of the Jews who believe. Many Christians I expect believe that, as I do.

3) The verse says God's promises to the "fathers," believing Jews such as Abraham, have been confirmed. The verse does NOT say those promises did not include the Gentiles. Just read Romans 15:8-12.

 

Excellent.

 

I understand and believe that Israel is a physical nation and will always be beloved of God as a nation in the temporal, or earthly sense;
For the sake of their elect fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
They have prophecies yet to be fulfilled, and many that have already been fulfilled.

I also understand that the "Israel of God", which is a spiritual "nation" made up of God's elect ( both Jews and Gentiles that have been "grafted together" into one "tree", see Romans 11, 1 Corinthians 12:12-13, Galatians 3:7-14, Ephesians 2:11-17 ), have their own set of prophecies and blessings that some have already been fulfilled, and some have yet to be so.

The subject rarely comes up, so I've not posted much on it.

In addition, God's children can and do come to understand the Scriptures for themselves over time, so I'm confident that they will begin to see the difference between "Israel" and Israel in their studies.

 

My people, make me think of Amos 3:1,2

? Does, "That Whom he did foreknow," apply R 8:29? That is my thought.

 

I don't know that they were.

It was far more than just Asia, JD.

21 For Moses from generations of old hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath. Acts 15

5 Now there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. Acts 2

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Rev 17

There was nothing small or insignificant about the 'Jewish arrangement' of that day.

 

8 And how hear we, every man in our own language wherein we were born?
9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, in Judaea and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia,
10 in Phrygia and Pamphylia, in Egypt and the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretans and Arabians, we hear them speaking in our tongues the mighty works of God. Acts 2

 

Too late! I'm a big fan of his writings from the early 20th century.

"Philip Mauro

FAMOUS PATENT LAWYER | SUPREME COURT LAWYER | PREPARED BRIEFS FOR SCOPES TRIAL | WAS ON CARPATHIA DURING RESCUE OF RMS TITANIC SURVIVORS

As far as twentieth century Christian figures are concerned, Philip Mauro stands out as one of the most captivating. After coming to a saving knowledge of the Lord in 1903, at the age of forty five, Mauro, a member of the bar of the Supreme Court of the United States and one of the foremost patent lawyers of his day, began his “Testimony” of what was to him the most important event in his life.

His repeated successes in courts of law, coupled with his legal briefs, could not but gain recognition, for they were “models of accuracy, conciseness, and literary finish.” As such, they were “frequently used by judges in the text of their decisions.” Perhaps one of the most important occasions where his legal work was requisitioned was in connection with the famous Tennessee-Scopes trial in 1925. The argument which William Jennings Bryan used, and thereby won the case, was prepared by Philip Mauro.

His early twentieth century was a period of great expansion for many errors, such as Dispensationalism and Anglo Israelism. Mauro’s book, “The Hope of Israel,” which was written three years prior to the Scopes trial, stands as a testament to his astute mind and sharp pen, most dashing in the face of the most formidable adversaries. Rising to the forefront of Christianity’s great struggle against these foes, he applied the preparation God had given him, and scored great victories for sound doctrine."

 

"FOREWORD

"NOT GIVING HEED TO JEWISH FABLES" (Titus 1:14).

Jewish fables (literally, myths) are no new thing. Paul has plainly warned the household of faith not to give heed thereto. He has not given us a list of those grievous heresies; but it is well known that the one that was most fondly cherished, and that constituted the gravest menace to the truth of the gospel, was the notion that the leading purpose of the mission of the coming Messiah would be the reconstitution of the Jewish nation and its elevation to the highest pinnacle of earthly dominion and glory; for that fatuous doctrine was the cornerstone of orthodox Judaism in Paul's day; and because of his sturdy opposition to it he was persecuted, his enemies plotted to take his life, and he was sent a prisoner to Rome. No wonder that, during the term of his imprisonment there, he wrote to Titus his plain-spoken warning against "Jewish fables."

Such being the case, we question if there be anything in all the long history of Christianity that is more difficult to account for than the fact that that particular fable, concerning the purpose of Christ's mission to the Jewish people, has become the central feature of a system of doctrine which, in this 20th century of our era, has found numerous and zealous advocates amongst orthodox Christians. In view of this extraordinary phenomenon, it surely behooves those who take the Holy Scriptures for their guide and instructor in all matters of faith and doctrine, to search them with the utmost care "whether these things be so." This [5] last chapter of the present volume, something fresh upon that subject of perennial interest. Enough at this point to say that, as the author now sees it, the great question concerning the Millennium is not When? but Where? [6]"

 

Some thoughts on God's covenant with Abraham (from my currently dormant blog Martin Marprelate)

With whom was the Abrahamic Covenant made? Only with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. These last two received the Abrahamic promises not through their relationship to Abraham, but directly from God (Genesis 26:2-5; 28:12-15). The covenant is made with no one else. If I believe that God is going to make a great nation out of me, or make me a blessing to all nations, or give my descendants the Land of Canaan as a possession, I am more than likely to be deceiving myself. Nor could an Israelite appropriate the promises to himself; any of Abraham’s descendants other than Isaac and Jacob might be childless. But when we place our faith in the promised Seed, we may appropriate the promised blessing as we become a child of Abraham by faith (Gal 3:7) and inherit the heavenly country that Abraham sought and found (Hebrews 11:15-16). The covenant ‘with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob’ is repeatedly mentioned in Scripture (Exodus 2:24; 32:13; Lev 26:42; Numbers 32:11; 2 Kings 13:23; 1Chron 16:16ff; Psalms 105:9 etc.) but no one else is ever spoken of as being in the covenant with them.

We have said that the covenant promises to Abraham were of land, nation and seed. Each of these has both an earthly and a heavenly fulfilment. There is an earthly land of Canaan which the Israelites eventually came to inherit, but we are told in Romans 4:13 that the promise was for the whole world (cf. Matt 5:5; Rev 5:10), and in Hebrews 11:16 that Abraham looked forward to a heavenly city. These are fundamentally the same promise and refer to the new heavens and new earth and also to the heavenly Jerusalem of Rev 21;1-3 which Abraham will inherit along with all believers at the end of time. Likewise, there was an earthly nation descended from Abraham who came to live in Canaan, but we learn from Galatians 3:7 that believers of all nations are his true descendants and it is they who will inherit the heavenly promises.

There are two seeds of Abraham with two different promises. Firstly, there is a physical seed to whom are given physical promises- a great nation and a physical land for it to dwell in. These promises were received by Israel in full (Josh 21:43-45). This seed ‘after the flesh’ (Gal 4:29) is represented by Ishmael. It is most important to understand that Ishmael is not in the Covenant. ‘And Abraham said to God, “Oh, that Ishmael might live before you!” Then God said, “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son and you shall call his name Isaac. I will establish My covenant with him”’ (Gen 17:18-19). Nothing could be clearer than this; Ishmael is not in the covenant, although he receives the covenant sign (v26). Ishmael, though not an Israelite, is a type of Israel after the flesh. He receives the earthly promises (Genesis 17:20) and the outward sign, but not the spiritual blessings (Gal 4:30; Acts 7:51-53). He persecutes the True Seed (Gen 21:9; John 8:37ff; Gal 4:29). His circumcision is of no avail to him since he lacks what circumcision symbolized; a humble, circumcised heart (Jeremiah 9:25-26).

There is also a spiritual seed of Abraham; those who are in Christ, the True Seed, by faith. These are they who are looking for a heavenly country just as Abraham was. Just as Abraham did not receive an earthly inheritance (Acts 7:5 etc), so the true Israelite knew that Canaan was not his true home (Psalms 119:19. cf. 1 Peter 2:11). He put no confidence in his circumcision, but rather his circumcision spoke to him of the promised Seed of Abraham who should come (cf. Luke 2:25-32; Phil 3:3).

What then did circumcision signify to Abraham’s physical male progeny and to his male servants? Well, firstly it had nothing to do with faith. It was a requirement for service in Abraham’s household. If you wanted to work for Mr Abraham, you had the snip. Indeed, nowhere in the entire Bible will you find physical circumcision connected with anybody’s faith but Abraham’s. In itself it signified precisely nothing. From the descendants of Abraham, the Messiah would be born, but it did not follow that any particular descendant should be an ancestor of Christ. Circumcision was a sign, not to Abraham’s physical seed, but to those ‘Israelites indeed’ (John 1:47) who were looking forward to Christ by faith, that the promises of God should eventually be fulfilled.

Next we can look at the ‘promises:’ ‘Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ……..and if you are Christ’s then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise’ (Gal 3:16, 29). The spiritual promises of the Abrahamic Covenant never applied to those who were physical descendants of Abraham, but to those of all nations (including Israel, of course) who are in Christ by faith. Very solemn are the words of our Lord on this matter: “And I say to you that many will come from east and west and will sit down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, but the sons of the kingdom will be cast into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matt 8:11-12).

So we see that the Abrahamic Covenant is tied up with the coming of the promised son- the miracle child (Gen 15:2-6). Isaac is not Christ, but he is a type or foreshadowing of Christ: long promised, born miraculously, persecuted by his own kin (Ishmael), offered up by his father, who received him (figuratively- Heb 11:19) back from the dead. The children of God come from him (Rom 9:7; Heb 3:5b). It is worth reading Isaiah 54 prayerfully in the light of these points.

 

The OP supposed 1000 year days, an eschatological view, a view not universally agreed on, as to how or when.

 

I think you have the wrong understanding of what is meant in the Bible by a thousand.
Psalms 50:10. 'For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills.' If we can find more than a thousand hills, do the cattle not belong to God? Of course they do. 'A thousand' here means 'all that there are.
Deuteronomy 7:9. '....... The faithful and merciful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments.' If there were to be 1,001 generations, would God not keep mercy and covenant with those who love Him? Of course He would. A thousand here means all that there are.
Psalms 90:4. 'For a thousand years in Your sight are like yesterday when it is past.' How about 1.001 years? Or 10,000 years? Are they not also like yesterday when it is past to God? Of course they are. God lives outside of time for He created time. Everything to Him is a boundless present (c.f. Isaiah 46:9-10; Titus 1:2))..

With these thoughts in mind, I think you will be able to understand better 2 Peter 3:8.