MMF - christian rock is evil

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Aaron

I don't hate you for anything. I can't say that I agree with you though, since I didn't feel sexual from the very start of listening to this music. It has always done the opposite effect on me from the start and that is put me in the frame of mind to serve our Saviour and worship him.

Karen

 

[donnA]

Karen,
I agree, we each have our own convictions on music.

If you feel it is sin,(when it comes to christian music) then don't do it. But if you feel you can worship God with any(your choosen sounds)christian music, then do it.

But don't tell other they must live by your personal convictions, that is legalism.

Someone said that some CCm doesn't have Jesus in the songs, then maybe you should read your hymn book.
Amazing Grace, no Jesus, God once
And I'm sure you can find more if you look. So It's not how many times Jesus is named as to whether or not it is christian song. But more as to whether or not it agrees with sctipture.

 

[Aaron]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyfree432:
"Adam,

Why do you only limit it to the sexual apetite? When Jesus was tempted through the lusts of the flesh, it was suggested to him that he turn stones to bread to satisfy his hunger. As far as your statement that not all rock music is sexual, see my reply to Karen. You also contradict every rock entertainer who ever commented on the subject from the 1950's to today."

Aaron- are you then saying that any music that has any physical affect on us is evil? I better throw my hymnal out right away then. I should never be caught singing Amazing Grace again, because that has an effect on me.

UNP, Adam<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What was Christ's temptation?

 

[Mike McK]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> We know when someone is throwing us an arrogant look...How do we know? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just like we know what is good or bad in music: by the context of the situation and by the attitude behind the look.

Mike

 

[Eric B]

USA Weekend article

Here is an article mentioning the positive physical effects of music on the brain. While their is a lot of mention of "God Bless America" (due to its recent regained popularity), but still, there is no suggestion that only classical/traditional has the good effects. In fact, it mentions as an example drum rhythms. (Many rock critics condemn all drums).
So once again, the negative effects must be the loudness, or extreme hard sounds, or also people misinterpeting certain studies (e.g. randon drum beats taken to be a "rock beat")

 

[Aaron]

Eric,

You keep mentioning "misinterpreting" random beats to be a rock beat. What are you talking about?

 

[Aaron]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Smoke_Eater:


Just like we know what is good or bad in music: by the context of the situation and by the attitude behind the look.

Mike<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you were an actor in a play, and the stage directions mentioned that a certain character was to "cast a proud and rebellious look," how would you do that?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins:


But why should a method of communication be restricted? How can you tell that one is worse than the other? Do you just hate loud music? Do you discriminate between the decibels? Or perhaps are you tone deaf and can not appreciate the landscapes and transitions the music has to offer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hmm..... tone deaf..... Thanx for letting me know what happens on this website. I'm thankful for my church, now more than ever, for resisting the wordly christian's pressure to let in CCM, to change from our KJV, or any thing else we get ridiculed for.
Praise God, in Jesus Christ's name, for sound doctrine. I pray you all get some.

 

[Rockfort]

&lt; I'm thankful for my church, now more than ever, for resisting the wordly christian's pressure to let in CCM, to change from our KJV, or any thing else we get ridiculed for.
&gt;

So is your church a branch of the Anglican, using the Anglican's Authorized Bible (KJV; though scripture says nothing about any translation of scripture), and blaring its style of organ music (though scripture does not authorize such music)?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

&gt;

So is your church a branch of the Anglican, using the Anglican's Authorized Bible (KJV; though scripture says nothing about any translation of scripture), and blaring its style of organ music (though scripture does not authorize such music)?[/QB][/QUOTE]


What's Angican? We do speak English. We use The KJV, & you will know who our music is for even if you aren't saved.

 

[Mike McK]

I don't know, Aaron but I think your point is moot since it has nothing to do with a facial expression. It's about the attitude behind the face.

 

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Here is a thought. I am big into making sure what we do for Jesus is of good solid quality not just spiritually, but also of presenting quality. When I go to my parent's place and my mother is listening to a singer which in my opinion doesn't sing very well or the music is not of a taste that I consider good quality to be, the song really offends me to the point that I would rather not hear it at all even though the song may be a wonderful christian song.

It does not mean the music or the song is evil or wrong because my nerves are grated to hear it, it just means I don't appreciate that style of music. It blesses my mother's heart and soul to listen to it but I'd rather hear fingernails screeching down a chalkboard than sit thru another song like that, one of those groups happens to be McKamy's...sorry, I realize that many people enjoy and are blessed by them and it's no offense to them I just can't handle listening to them at all.

Ya know what? In the same hand, I won't play a song by Petra or DCtalk for my mother because I know that what I just described as grating my nerves will do the same to her in listening to my style of music, but it blesses me.

I don't deny that any scientific research has found people react to different music, but keep one thing in mind. Science thinks it can also prove that our only God from the Bible is not really alive or exsisting, what's my point? Yes, science is great, but science can be wrong too and I'm not saying scientific research is wrong about what it's studies found about music, but what I am saying is my first stop and ending stop to finding truth about anything will not be thru science but God's word and what God teaches me.

Karen

 

[Rockfort]

&lt; What's Angican? We do speak English. We use The KJV, & you will know who our music is for even if you aren't saved. &gt;

Anglican is the Church of England, began by Henry VIII when the Pope would not consent to his divorce of his first wife, and the church for which King James authorized a new translation of scripture which would help solidify his claim to a "divine right" to rule both state and church. The Episcopal Church in America is patterned after this church. The Book of Common Prayer, the 'Authorized' Bible, elaborate facilities, and very traditional music styles characterize the proceedings of this body. From your description-- omitting the 'elaborate facilities' part-- your church would look and sound like the Anglican church.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> &gt;

Anglican is the Church of England, began by Henry VIII when the Pope would not consent to his divorce of his first wife, and the church for which King James authorized a new translation of scripture which would help solidify his claim to a "divine right" to rule both state and church. The Episcopal Church in America is patterned after this church. The Book of Common Prayer, the 'Authorized' Bible, elaborate facilities, and very traditional music styles characterize the proceedings of this body. From your description-- omitting the 'elaborate facilities' part-- your church would look and sound like the Anglican church.[/QB]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We are a fundamental, KJV based, new testament church, made up of fundamental, KJV based, new testament believers. Our "elaborate facility" is a warehouse in the city of Worcester Mass. I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Rockfort]

&lt; We are a fundamental, KJV based, new testament church, made up of fundamental, KJV based, new testament believers. Our "elaborate facility" is a warehouse in the city of Worcester Mass. I wouldn't have it any other way. &gt;

An Anglican Bible in a Mass. warehouse? I can think of other ways; such as, in the home of a host couple (I Corinthians 16:19), and by the riverside (Acts 16:13).

And if you "wouldn't have it any other way," and you for whatever reason you relocated from Worcestor, Mass., would you look for another church in your new town with meets in a warehouse and uses an Anglican Bible exclusively?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

[QUOTE&gt;

An Anglican Bible in a Mass. warehouse? I can think of other ways; such as, in the home of a host couple (I Corinthians 16:19), and by the riverside (Acts 16:13).

And if you "wouldn't have it any other way," and you for whatever reason you relocated from Worcestor, Mass., would you look for another church in your new town with meets in a warehouse and uses an Anglican Bible exclusively?[/QB][/QUOTE]

A church is not a building. It is composed of believers. What the building looks like is not important to me. What is preached is. What kind of music is also important.
You use that "Anglican" word a lot. But the answer to you'r question is yes. The KJV is the one for me. And I will run away from any church using wordly music like it was on fire, no matter what kind of building it is.

 

[Rockfort]

&lt; A church is not a building. It is composed of believers. What the building looks like is not important to me. &gt;

That's true about a church [assembly] being the believers and not the building. But you did say you "wouldn't have it any other way" than your warehouse place of meeting.

&lt; You use that "Anglican" word a lot. But the answer to you'r question is yes. The KJV is the one for me. &gt;

'That word 'Anglican'' is indicative of who and publishded the KJV, and for what purpose. The Vulgate is a Catholic Bible. The New World Translation is a 'Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible. The KJV is an Anglican Bible.

&lt; And I will run away from any church using wordly music like it was on fire, no matter what kind of building it is. &gt;

If I came across a church that was on fire, I would assist in putting it out instead of running from it. But all music is "worldly music" in that it is sound waves produced by physical means. A piano is worldy; our vocal chords are worldly.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>&gt;

That's true about a church [assembly] being the believers and not the building. But you did say you "wouldn't have it any other way" than your warehouse place of meeting.

&lt; . &gt;

'That word 'Anglican'' is indicative of who and publishded the KJV, and for what purpose. The Vulgate is a Catholic Bible. The New World Translation is a 'Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible. The KJV is an Anglican Bible.

&lt; &gt;

If I came across a church that was on fire, I would assist in putting it out instead of running from it. But all music is "worldly music" in that it is sound waves produced by physical means. A piano is worldy; our vocal chords are worldly.[/QB]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

" I would't have it any other way " refers to my stance on the KJV. The warehouse is what the Lord has provided for us to gather. If he gives us a building some day, then we will use it.
I am not out to win an argument about music. I will just say that I praise God for our music director, and the work he has done to keep wordly influences out of our worship services. I know people will mock us, & try to find fault with anything they can, but that's OK. I know Christian music when I hear it, & I hear it at my church.

 

[Aaron]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins:


But why should a method of communication be restricted? How can you tell that one is worse than the other? Do you just hate loud music? Do you discriminate between the decibels? Or perhaps are you tone deaf and can not appreciate the landscapes and transitions the music has to offer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1 Corinthians 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

 

[Aaron]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Smoke_Eater:
I don't know, Aaron but I think your point is moot since it has nothing to do with a facial expression. It's about the attitude behind the face.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have you by the tail, and you just don't want to admit it

Technical actors study and work very hard to communicate the "internal monologues" (attitudes) of their characters. (Method actors just try to work up some sort of "feeling.") Either disciple can effectively communicate to his audience what his character is feeling.

Despite your refusal to accept the fact, there are certain facial expressions that are proud and arrogant, and conversly there are certain facial expressions that communicate humility. And the expressions are cross cultural.

The interesting thing is that the audience just knows without having to have a Phd in communication.

It is the same with music.