Monergistic ETERNAL Salvation

[SavedByGrace]

No, but He sure did the living for the elect sinners who can't live the life they should live under or without the law, and then, as perfect as that life was, He took the sinner's sins onto Himself, and offered Himself to the Father as the sinner's substitute on the cross. Now, if that ain't love, I don't know what it is. Do you ?

is the Gospel Message to be preached to the entire human race, as Mark 16:15 tells us, or only to the elect?

 

[agedman]

Eternal salvation, that salvation wrought by God in His Only Begotten, is monergistic. All OF God, BY God, FROM God, NONE added from man. Post 7-8 Scriptures, Old or New Testament, that speaks to eternal salvation.
I can't find 7.
Most that I find involves man doing something, like repent, or believe.
Maybe all y'all can do better.

I don't have to chase all over the Bible, but stayed with one book and barely half of that.
From John:

3Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

“If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.”

21For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.

25“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

27And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man.

29Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

44No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

47Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

39Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.”

2But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out

16And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.

27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”
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I think there are more then 7.

 

[agedman]

is the Gospel Message to be preached to the entire human race, as Mark 16:15 tells us, or only to the elect?

It is preached to the whole human race, but effective to only the elect.

 

[SavedByGrace]

It is preached to the whole human race, but effective to only the elect.

Then it is insincere

 

[agedman]

Then it is insincere

How do you know?

I present the Christ as sincerely as I can to everyone that I have that opportunity?

It isn't my job to distinguish who is or is not elect. That is the Master's responsibility as the salvation is totally by His authority and under His control.

Therefore, the message is to all. Just as the Lord's message was delivered to all in His earthly ministry. However, those who did not receive the message turned away. He did not turn them away, but they themselves turned away.

"ALL the Father gives me WILL come to me..."

We are but the seed bearing and those who plant and water. GOD gives the increase. And, it is not one bit for our own glory, but for His, alone.

 

[SavedByGrace]

How do you know?

I present the Christ as sincerely as I can to everyone that I have that opportunity?

It isn't my job to distinguish who is or is not elect. That is the Master's responsibility as the salvation is totally by His authority and under His control.

Therefore, the message is to all. Just as the Lord's message was delivered to all in His earthly ministry. However, those who did not receive the message turned away. He did not turn them away, but they themselves turned away.

"ALL the Father gives me WILL come to me..."

We are but the seed bearing and those who plant and water. GOD gives the increase. And, it is not one bit for our own glory, but for His, alone.

This is what the Gospel is

Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
1 Corinthians 15:1- 4

If this Gospel which is the only one, is preached to the entire human race, which says that Christ died for your sins, then either it is true or not. It means that that ALL that hear this Message can be saved and that it is not only for the elect. Otherwise it is a SHAM

 

[agedman]

This is what the Gospel is

Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
1 Corinthians 15:1- 4

If this Gospel which is the only one, is preached to the entire human race, which says that Christ died for your sins, then either it is true or not. It means that that ALL that hear this Message can be saved and that it is not only for the elect. Otherwise it is a SHAM

Not all can be saved, for Paul knew that some were sham believers, they believe in vain, for the glory of acceptance, for the honor of belonging, for to put to silence a group effort, or some other reason in which that person has not become a true convert.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Not all can be saved, for Paul knew that some were sham believers, they believe in vain, for the glory of acceptance, for the honor of belonging, for to put to silence a group effort, or some other reason in which that person has not become a true convert.

If we are to tell the whole world that Jesus died for their sins as this is the Gospel Message, then He did die for the entire human race regardless of whether they are all saved. We can't pretend with what we say

 

[agedman]

If we are to tell the whole world that Jesus died for their sins as this is the Gospel Message, then He did die for the entire human race regardless of whether they are all saved. We can't pretend with what we say

Again, I have not the mind of the Master to know before who will or will not receive and believe. It is my job to carry the message and water that message. "God gives the increase."

I don't pretend, but I also know that the Scriptures state very clearly that "By their fruit you will know..." (Matthew 7) and "by keeping His commandments..."
and unfortunately, "bearing the marks...." for all the redeemed will be persecuted in at least one area.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Again, I have not the mind of the Master to know before who will or will not receive and believe. It is my job to carry the message and water that message. "God gives the increase."

I don't pretend, but I also know that the Scriptures state very clearly that "By their fruit you will know..." (Matthew 7) and "by keeping His commandments..."
and unfortunately, "bearing the marks...." for all the redeemed will be persecuted in at least one area.

If we are Commissioned to preach the Gospel as in 2 Corinthians 15 to the entire human race. Then for it to be a sincere Gospel it must mean what it says. This means that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world

 

[agedman]

If we are Commissioned to preach the Gospel as in 2 Corinthians 15 to the entire human race. Then for it to be a sincere Gospel it must mean what it says. This means that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world

The message is "Christ died according to the Scriptures."

HOW you present that message is your business, for the Holy Spirit will use the Scriptures as that Spirit determines.

Did not Paul say that some preach Christ from a not so good attitude?

His response was that He was thankful that Christ was preached.

Now, concerning the restriction of monergistic thinking, it matters not a bit. For the message is the same. Christ died for the ungodly, and all have sinned.

 

[atpollard]

Wow! The maturity level just bottomed out around here.

POINT OF CLARIFICATION:
Are you really saying that the maturity level on a topic “bottoms out” when you arrive?

 

[Dr. Bob]

It is the DUTY of man to repent and believe the Gospel. If man does not, it is God's responsibility to punish.

The crux of the issue is HOW does man repent? How CAN a dead person, alienated from God, hating God and (as Paul aptly summarized the OT teaching in Romans 3), "TOTALLY INCAPABLE seeking God, wanting God, surrendering to God, calling on God". He cannot do one thing right and yet is supposed to go contrary to his nature and somehow repent and believe the Gospel on his own?

It takes the holy Spirit of God drawing, bringing a person to repentance and faith, changing his very core nature and giving him those gifts. Only then can a man in Nineveh (from illustration earlier in this thread) or from the inner city of Minneapolis (drawing from how He worked in MY own life 65 years ago this week). Why did I "hear" the message of hell and salvation and need to turn from sin in repentance and faith over and over and over again, never responding? Then one day >BANG< I did! Because I'm so good? Because my evil, fallen, god-hating will kicked in that I wasn't so bad after all?

I had a new nature, a gift work invisibly by God, and I was born again. I WAS born again. I didn't "born" myself. 100% of God. 0% of Bob. And 65 years later I am more sure of this miracle and more grateful to God for making me His child.

 

[timdabap]

is the Gospel Message to be preached to the entire human race, as Mark 16:15 tells us, or only to the elect?

the gospel is to be preached WHEREVER (not yelling) and WHENEVER (not yelling, promise) GOD allows and presents an opportunity and directs the preacher (Acts :6).

 

[kyredneck]

POINT OF CLARIFICATION:
Are you really saying that the maturity level on a topic “bottoms out” when you arrive?

ROFL!!! Perfect comeback to Mitch.

 

[DaveXR650]

This is what the Gospel is

Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
1 Corinthians 15:1- 4

If this Gospel which is the only one, is preached to the entire human race, which says that Christ died for your sins, then either it is true or not. It means that that ALL that hear this Message can be saved and that it is not only for the elect. Otherwise it is a SHAM

@SavedByGrace
Election is clearly taught in scripture. God's sovereignty is also clearly taught. It is even more directly and clearly taught that you have a warrant to tell anyone you meet that if they hear the gospel and come to Christ in faith they will be saved. The offer of the gospel is real and it is to everyone that hears it. Some Calvinists do not agree with that and there has been conflict over it.

 

[Iconoclast]

John 5:39-40

"You search the Scriptures, because you suppose that in them you will find the Life of the Ages; and it is those Scriptures that yield testimony concerning me; and yet you are unwilling to come to me that you may have Life."

Luke 13:2-5

"Jesus answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all perish in the same way. Or those eighteen, on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them; do you think that they were worse offenders than all the men who dwell in Jerusalem? I tell you, no, but, unless you repent, you will all perish in the same way.”

Acts 7:51

“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit! As your fathers did, so you do"

Acts 13:46

"Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, and said, “It was necessary that God’s word should be spoken to you first. Since indeed you reject it from yourselves, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles"

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn’t receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Because of this, God sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie; that they all might be judged who didn’t believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness"

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10

"For they themselves report concerning us what kind of a reception we had from you, and how you turned to God from idols, to serve a living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead: Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come"

All of these passages show that ALL sinners have been given a FREE WILL, to either ACCEPT or REJECT, the Gospel Message

When Jesus says, in Matthew 20:16, "So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few are chosen"

The Greek κλητός, also has the meaning of INVITED. An INVITATION means that it can be either ACCEPTED or REJECTED. The Wedding Feast in Matthew 22, clearly shows that the Gospel Message is an INVITATION, which some REJECTED. In verse 14, Jesus again says, "For many are called, but few chosen"

No monergism in these passages!

Much of Calvinism is here at odds with the Infallible Word of God!

Looks like you do not understand them once again.Watch;

All of these passages show that ALL sinners have been given a FREE WILL, to either ACCEPT or REJECT, the Gospel Message[/QUOTE]

no..take another look;

and yet you are unwilling to come to me that you may have Life."

The natural man is always unwilling to come is what it says...you will not.

you always resist the Holy Spirit! As your fathers did, so you do"

see it...you ALWAYS RESIST....SELF WILL IS BOUND BY SIN.

 

[Dr. Bob]

@SavedByGraceng
The offer of the gospel is real and it is to everyone that hears it. Some Calvinists do not agree with that and there has been conflict over it.

Can't think of a Calvinist who doesn't believe that the call to repent and believe the Gospel is to EVERYONE. It is a command of God to do (for all men) and a command for us to obey by sharing (for all who have believed).

I've heard of some bogyman argument against Calvinists (as if this were the norm) but have met only one in 50+ years of ministry who did not believe in sharing the Gospel message until we know it is one who is elect. We broke fellowship over such irrational abhorrent teaching

 

[DaveXR650]

Can't think of a Calvinist who doesn't believe that the call to repent and believe the Gospel is to EVERYONE. It is a command of God to do (for all men) and a command for us to obey by sharing (for all who have believed).

I'm glad to hear that. But what makes non Calvinists upset is that is isn't enough for us to do this out of a sense of duty. What I am trying to tell @SavedByGrace is that the promise in scripture is actually and truly to every single person that hears the gospel - that if they come to Christ in faith they will be saved. "Election" is not the issue at this point for the person sharing the gospel or for the person hearing the message. The offer of the gospel is a real offer and I can tell someone absolutely that they can come to Christ and believe and not worry that they may not be of the elect. There are plenty of Calvinists who won't say that.

 

[percho]

as many as the Lord our God shall call.
“So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit(after he calls them), just as He did to us (who he called),
“Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them (to call) a people for His name.

Is God calling, "all," at this time? The ones presently being called; What will they do, with Christ? When?

And as it is appointed unto men once, to die but after this the judgment:
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. --- before of after death?

That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.


Monergistic

I Agree!