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More proofs of Nazi roots in the Kiev regime

Van

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You are an advocate, whether knowingly or ignorantly, for the Kiev government's eight year-long aggression to the secessionist regions. Kiev had promised to honor the plebescites but later admitted that they merely agreed in order to buy time to build up their army. This was the admission of the previous president.
You are, whether knowingly or ignorantly, what Communists call a useful idiot, as the aggressor always trumps up charges that the invaded country is at fault.
 

Van

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I put no false hoods in your mouth. You want Russia to leave the Donbass and other regions that it occupies? Those regions ethnic Russians live. As soon as Russia leaves the Ukrainians will shell, send the nazis in and murder the ethnic Russians. Do you understand the war here was going on for years way before Russia's Special Military Operation? They have shelled Ethnic Russians. They have terrorized them and killed them. All of this for years now.
Once again, you justify open aggression of one country against another. North Korea made similar claims when it invaded South Korea. Ditto North Viet Nam into South Viet Nam. Ditto Iraq into Kuwait. Ditto Russia into Ukraine.

Two wrong do not make a right.
 

Conan

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Once again, you justify open aggression of one country against another. North Korea made similar claims when it invaded South Korea. Ditto North Viet Nam into South Viet Nam. Ditto Iraq into Kuwait. Ditto Russia into Ukraine.

Two wrong do not make a right.
Russia and Ukraine have nothing in common with Vietnam or Korea. Thats false. But we all now know that vietnam was unjustified. A war that should have never been fought. Oh, our goverment did lie to us then, and are lieing about Ukraine. Maybe you have brought a good point.
 

Van

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Russia and Ukraine have nothing in common with Vietnam or Korea. Thats false. But we all now know that vietnam was unjustified. A war that should have never been fought. Oh, our goverment did lie to us then, and are lieing about Ukraine. Maybe you have brought a good point.
You deny the invading force always blames those invaded to justify their invasion? Silly
 

Piper

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I read something a month or so ago, and it was about Media and how it has grown, and how it does not generally report on anything that really, actually affects our lives. The question that the writer asked was, "When I open the news in the morning and read a story from California (Or say, Kiev)), what will I actually change about my life, or actually do, in response to this news?"

Probably nothing.

Now, I know that the Ukraine Russia War is important for global relations, and for righteousness. But it is so complicated, that we can never truly know what is the cause. We can know some.

I have a close friend from Ukraine. He has thought about going back. His family is still there, brothers, mother, uncles, aunts, cousins. It is very, very personal to him. They are real people, reach Christians. That is what interests me, my friend Viktor. I listen when he talks about what is happening there. The Media talking heads? Not so much.
 
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asterisktom

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You are, whether knowingly or ignorantly, what Communists call a useful idiot, as the aggressor always trumps up charges that the invaded country is at fault.

I don't suffer people to call me idiots, let alone people who claim to be Christians. To me ."idiot" is pretty insulting. Maybe not to you. Done with you.
 

Piper

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You are, whether knowingly or ignorantly, what Communists call a useful idiot, as the aggressor always trumps up charges that the invaded country is at fault.

Uncalled for. That is embarrassing.
 

Conan

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It seems to me you are ignoring the history behind Martin's Lenin quote.


From van's link

OriginEdit
The phrase useful idiot has often been attributed to Vladimir Lenin, but he is not documented as ever having used the phrase.[3][4] In a 1987 article for The New York Times, American journalist William Safire investigated the origin of the term, commenting that a senior reference librarian at the Library of Congress had been unable to find the phrase in Lenin's works and concluding that in the absence of new evidence, the term could not be attributed to Lenin.[3][4] Similarly, the Oxford English Dictionary in defining useful idiot says: "The phrase does not seem to reflect any expression used within the Soviet Union.
 

Van

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No. You are rude and pushy. I do not have to obey you.
For these posters to feign lack of knowledge of the meaning of the phrase is surprising, as it is rather well known. SNIP
 
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Van

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"In conclusion, Croatian journalist Bogdan Raditsa used the phrase “Koristne Budale” in an October 1946 article. He translated the phrase as “Useful Innocents”, but it may also be translated as “Useful Fools” or “Useful Idiots”. Raditsa stated that the phrase was employed by Yugoslav communists to describe genuine democrats who naively collaborated with them."

[from Useful Idiot – Quote Investigator]

Lenin also used a term translated a "simpletons" but applied it to the same category of dupes of Communist propaganda.
 
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Conan

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I took a look at the wiki Minsk Agreements article. I didn't see anything there about Ukraine's relationships with NATO or the EU. It seems both side broke the agreement at their earliest opportunity.
NATO used the agreement to train Ukrainians to attack the Donbass and Crimea. After Ukraine put 60,000 of them ready to attack the Donbass Putin launched the special Military Operation. Beat them to the punch.
 

AustinC

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NATO used the agreement to train Ukrainians to attack the Donbass and Crimea. After Ukraine put 60,000 of them ready to attack the Donbass Putin launched the special Military Operation. Beat them to the punch.
Do you ever just refer to Putin as "Comrade?"
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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Not advocating calling each other idiots here, useful or otherwise, but the technicality is moot.

Lenin employed “useful idiots” whether he called them that or not. He used other communists for his purposes, then turned on them when the time was ripe.

It seems to me you are ignoring the history behind Martin's Lenin quote.
 
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