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Moses or Christ? Paul's Reply to Dispensational Error

KenH

KenH

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Ascetic X said:
Read Isaiah again and notice how many times the LORD declared about gentile nations, “then they will know that I am the LORD God."
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Did you mean the book of Ezekiel? When I search in the KJV for the phrase you put in quote marks, I get several references to Ezekiel, but none for Isaiah.
 
KenH

KenH

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Ascetic X said:
The Old Testament is loaded with the missiological work of Israel, including when they were in Egyptian and Babylonian captivity. The story of Jonah is a shining example.
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There are isolated examples of Gentiles in the Old Testament being regenerated by the Holy Spirit, and given the gifts of faith in Christ and repentance of dead works, such as Rahab and Ruth. However, I see nothing in the history of ancient Israel where they made it their mission to spread the gospel of Christ anywhere, certainly not in North America, or South America, or Australia, or Russia, or China.

In other words, ancient Israel was never commanded to go all over the entire globe and spread the Law of Moses and its over 600 commandments and laws and instructions, much less to "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." (Mark 16:15)
 
Ascetic X

Ascetic X

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KenH said:
There are isolated examples of Gentiles in the Old Testament being regenerated by the Holy Spirit, and given the gifts of faith in Christ and repentance of dead works, such as Rahab and Ruth. However, I see nothing in the history of ancient Israel where they made it their mission to spread the gospel of Christ anywhere, certainly not in North America, or South America, or Australia, or Russia, or China.

In other words, ancient Israel was never commanded to go all over the entire globe and spread the Law of Moses and its over 600 commandments and laws and instructions, much less to "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." (Mark 16:15)
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How Israel was a light to all nations and salvation unto the end of the earth is a topic worth exploring.

But the Word did spread through various means.

When captive in Babylon, the Law reached new audiences. The story of Jonah and also the Magi from Persia coming to honor the child Jesus are examples of this outreach.

The Bible is very clear about this purpose of God.

Isaiah 49:6

And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
 
KenH

KenH

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Ascetic X said:
Isaiah 49:6

And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
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Which, starting with the Day of Pentecost after Christ's death, burial, and resurrection, was done throughout the world, not just in isolated instances as previously, such as, for example, Rahab and Ruth.

Acts 13:46-49
Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying,

I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles,
That thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.

Galatians 3:13-14
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
 
Ben1445

Ben1445

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Aaron said:
Yup. The Gospel is unto all people. I've created a pamphlet to be passed around in Israel™, but no takers yet.

View attachment 13996
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If I’m looking for something to pass out in Israel, I won’t start by asking a “conspiracy theorist™.”

Also I would find something with people on the cover is wearing some clothes. I wouldn’t want people to think I’m advertising for their queer celebrations.
 
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Marooncat79

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Ascetic X said:
You are certainly joking. There is an abundance of evidence throughout the Old Testament that a huge purpose of Israel was to be a lesson to the entire world. There is no way anyone could miss this.

The Old Testament is loaded with the missiological work of Israel, including when they were in Egyptian and Babylonian captivity. The story of Jonah is a shining example.

God’s promises of blessing through Abraham and his seed—both the plural “succession of representatives” and Christ who is “both part of that succession and the final consummation” of it —reveal God’s missionary intent. Similarly, God’s self-revelation at the time of the exodus ensured that the Egyptians would “know” him and that his name would “be proclaimed in all the earth” (Exod 9:14, 16).

The “mixed multitude” (Exod 12:38) that joined the exodus indicates that many Egyptians came to know Yahweh as he overthrew their gods. By establishing his covenant with Israel and setting them apart as his treasured possession, a universal ethical standard, a kingdom of prophets and priests, and a holy nation (Exod 19: 4–6), God intended that they actively represent him to the nations.

Read Isaiah again and notice how many times the LORD declared about gentile nations, “then they will know that I am the LORD God.”

The fact that the Magi from Persia came to worship the young Jesus is an example of how Israel was a light to the gentile world.

The book of Hebrews says nothing about Israel being given a 40 year probationary period.
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I wish i could like this 5,000 times
 
kyredneck

kyredneck

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Ascetic X said:
There is an abundance of evidence throughout the Old Testament that a huge purpose of Israel was to be a lesson to the entire world. There is no way anyone could miss this.
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"'Tis ordinarily said, that the Jews were a typical people, the whole divine economy toward them is doctrinal and instructive to us, not immediately or literally, but by way of Anagogy" - Henry Hammond
 
Ascetic X

Ascetic X

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Aaron said:
It means the OT came to end. The King of the Jews nullified circumcision and joined the NT church...His church.
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So this tract states on the cover that Christ became a Christian?

Makes no sense. Christian means Christ in you, being a follower of Christ.

Jesus Christ did not become a Christian. A Christian is one who follows Jesus Christ.

I would never give that tract to anyone.
 
Aaron

Aaron

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Ascetic X said:
So this tract states on the cover that Christ became a Christian?

Makes no sense. Christian means Christ in you, being a follower of Christ.

Jesus Christ did not become a Christian. A Christian is one who follows Jesus Christ.

I would never give that tract to anyone.
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:Roflmao It's a meme I made. Not a real tract...though it should be printed and passed out in Israel™ and to the Dispies. To be a Christian means to enter into the New Covenant. Christ's baptism wasn't just an "example to follow."
 
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