Most ignored verse in Bible

[calledbyHisgrace]

Men are condemned because they love darkness rather than light:

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." John 3:19

Men condemn (judge) themselves:

"Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles." Acts 13:46

Man's will condemns, God's will saves.

 

[asterisktom]

If any verse is brought up for discussion it would not, then, be the most ignored, would it? However I think that Revelation 1:1 is an ignored verse. There is an important overlooked key in that verse that tells us how to approach this last book,of the Bible.

Actually, there are two parts that are ignored from this verse. One is the "shortly" aspect. But I was referring to the word underlined below:

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

This should be a heads up for all those who think this book is basically literal.

Many versions of the Bible miss the point of this important word, unhelpfully blunting it with inaccurate phrasing.

 

[loDebar]

Men are condemned because they love darkness rather than light:

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." John 3:19

Men condemn (judge) themselves:

"Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles." Acts 13:46

Man's will condemns, God's will saves.

Not because they love darkness, they love darkness because they are condemned

Remember God is light

 

[calledbyHisgrace]

Not because they love darkness, they love darkness because they are condemned

Remember God is light

This is also true. Mankind as a whole was condemned (judged) by Adam:

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

But this first offence was the result of Adam choosing darkness rather than light.

 

[Reformed1689]

So when we are saved and sin we are then condemned too? I figure Adam though he sinned, he did after all believe in God. I've just never heard of such a thing as a condemned believer. You said in your next statement. "in the day that you eat it you will surely die." Are you saying that Adam then lost his Salvation? Spiritually or Physically?.
MB

Even Satan believes in God. And if you read that as me saying Adam lost his salvation I don't know what to say. That verse was before Adam even committed sin...

 

[loDebar]

This is also true. Mankind as a whole was condemned (judged) by Adam:

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

But this first offence was the result of Adam choosing darkness rather than light.

Not my Agam not through Adam, not because of Adam

 

[MB]

Even Satan believes in God. And if you read that as me saying Adam lost his salvation I don't know what to say. That verse was before Adam even committed sin...

What I was asking you was, did Adam loose his Salvation because he was condemned.? Adam did Believed in God. Calvinist believe old testiments saints were saved if they believed in God. Like Abraham was. You see you believe Adam was condemned. I would like to know how this condemnation is even possible because he was a believer. I know because I'm saved sin is not imputed to me because of grace. The only thing is Adam is suppose to be saved so how is it that he is condemned? Would you give the scripture that says Adam was condemned.?
MB

 

[Reformed1689]

What I was asking you was, did Adam loose his Salvation because he was condemned.?

He can't lose something that he did not have.

Adam did Believed in God.

That is not the requirement of salvation. Even Satan and the demons believe in God.

Calvinist believe old testiments saints were saved if they believed in God.

That is not what Calvinists believe. That is absurd. Where do you get that from? Most, if not all, Calvinists believe that they were saved by having faith in the future promise of redemption that would be found in Jesus Christ. Faith alone through Grace alone.

 

[MB]

He can't lose something that he did not have.

That is not the requirement of salvation. Even Satan and the demons believe in God.

That is not what Calvinists believe. That is absurd. Where do you get that from? Most, if not all, Calvinists believe that they were saved by having faith in the future promise of redemption that would be found in Jesus Christ. Faith alone through Grace alone.

If saved by looking forward to Christ. Then where did they get the atonement from? . There is no forgiveness of sin with out the shedding of blood. This is why I can never be a Calvinist because there is far to many situations like this where there just isn't any scriptural reference that back's it up. Faith is not something we can pull out of thin air. Faith is dependent on scripture.
Actually Belief in Jesus Christ is a requirement.
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
MB

 

[Reformed1689]

If saved by looking forward to Christ. Then where did they get the atonement from? . There is no forgiveness of sin with out the shedding of blood. This is why I can never be a Calvinist because there is far to many situations like this where there just isn't any scriptural reference that back's it up. Faith is not something we can pull out of thin air. Faith is dependent on scripture.
MB

So you believe in a works-based salvation for the OT? That's heresy.

 

[MB]

He can't lose something that he did not have.

That is not the requirement of salvation. Even Satan and the demons believe in God.

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I'll give you the opportunity to change this l underlined statement. While it is true demons and devils do believe in God. It is still a requirement to believe in Jesus Christ. inoder to have Salvation

 

[MB]

So you believe in a works-based salvation for the OT? That's heresy.

NO I did not you accused me of it.
Well you just said that belief is not necessary for Salvation/
MB

 

[Reformed1689]

I'll give you the opportunity to change this l underlined statement. While it is true demons and devils do believe in God. It is still a requirement to believe in Jesus Christ. inoder to have Salvation

Satan and Demons believe in Jesus Christ too. You are going to have to do better than that. Are you arguing the demons and Satan are saved?

 

[Reformed1689]

Well you just said that belief is not necessary for Salvation/
MB

That is not what I said.

 

[MB]

That is not what I said.

THE PROOF IS IN POST 28
MB

 

[MB]

Where is your proof
MB

 

[Reformed1689]

THE PROOF IS IN POST 28
MB

No that is not proof at all. I said belief in God is not the requirement for salvation and guess what, it isn't.

 

[MB]

No that is not proof at all. I said belief in God is not the requirement for salvation and guess what, it isn't.

Prove it with scripture.cause your word doesn't prove squat
MB

 

[Reformed1689]

Prove it with scripture.cause your word doesn't prove squat
MB

Actually you are the one making the claim, burden of proof is on you.

 

[MB]

Actually you are the one making the claim, burden of proof is on you.

Actually you are the one making the claim, burden of proof is on you Your the one who believes it isn't necessary. I've already proved that it is. with scripture.
MB