mRNA vaccine question.

[Bible Scanned]

They are still learning, to be sure. A friend's daughter got a very mild case of covid. She is in her early 20's, but had a stroke because of covid. A relative who is 20 is still having heart issues brought on by a mild case of covid. We lost 6 coworkers the past few months due to covid.

I posted about a 13 year old boy who was found dead the morning after being vaccinated due to an allergic reaction.

We make the best decisions we can and allow others to do the same. And it's OK if we choose differently and it's OK that we suffer consequences in this life for our decisions because we know God holds us in His hands.

It's a horrible thing, and we're all in the same boat. My greatest respect goes to the medical staff who have to deal with the patients. I'm not careless just because I don't want to take a vaccine yet - I respect the fact that I must prevent myself as best I can from contracting the virus (masks and social distancing and avoiding crowded places as much as I can), and I must also protect others from contracting the virus from me. I'm not a "disbeliever" about the virus - but just weigh up my chances of survival against my chances of developing yet unknown or unforeseen side-effects that I could have done without.

 

[Reynolds]

Does the mRNA stay at vaccine site or does it migrate to other places in the body? And what was it suppose to do? Stay at the vaccination site? Why or why not.

It travels throughout the body. The myth that it does not has been thoroughly debunked.
It is stupid to think an intramuscular injection stays put.
Steroids, antibiotics, and Testosterone are all given intramuscular and would do NO good if they stayed put.

 

[JonC]

How can you say, “it’s ok if we chose differently” given all the threads claiming the “unvaccinated” are selfish, mutant factories endangering the lives of the vaccinated?

Peace to you

I may have said "selfish", but I do not recall saying it.

They are "varient factories" and they do endanger people other than themselves. I suppose they are also selfish, but we all are to an extent (I do not see the vaccinated saying they don't mind dying for the unvaccinated's right to refuse a vaccine).

At the same time it is OK. I suspect this will not turn out well, especially for the unvaccinated, but this too shall pass.

This world is not a safe place. It is OK that people get heart disease from their choice of foods (I'm overweight myself). We make choices and suffer the consequences of our decisions. Sometimes others suffer as well. I lost my father when he was 51 due to the consequences of cigarettes. It was unfortunate and sad....a very difficult time for my family. But at the same time God gives us peace. It is OK.

 

[JonC]

It's a horrible thing, and we're all in the same boat. My greatest respect goes to the medical staff who have to deal with the patients. I'm not careless just because I don't want to take a vaccine yet - I respect the fact that I must prevent myself as best I can from contracting the virus (masks and social distancing and avoiding crowded places as much as I can), and I must also protect others from contracting the virus from me. I'm not a "disbeliever" about the virus - but just weigh up my chances of survival against my chances of developing yet unknown or unforeseen side-effects that I could have done without.

I agree. What I find disheartening is pro-covid-vaxers and anti-covid-vaxees seem to politicize the virus and the vaccine...to the point some find it difficult to get good information. And they use people's deaths. They reduce lives down to statistics.

We need to empathize (or sympathize, depending on one's situation) with those who have suffered...regardless if from the virus or vaccine.

People say 1% dying of covid is no big concern. But if those figures hold true that is millions people. And the chances of dying from a vaccine is .0026%. But that is thousands of people...human beings...dying.

 

[Andre]

I don't mind if people take the vaccine, as long as they don't mind if I don't.

Many of us do mind that you don't, although you will do what you want to do.

When people refuse the vaccine they endanger others in a number of ways - these are not opinions, these are established facts:

1. They increase the covid risk for the vaccinated - vaccinated people can still get covid.
2. They increase the risk of the development of vaccine-resistant variants.
3 They needlessly divert medical resources away from others who need them.

So, yes, it is very much my business what you decide to do.

 

[37818]

1. They increase the covid risk for the vaccinated - vaccinated people can still get covid.

Crazy talk.

 

[Andre]

It travels throughout the body..

False, we have been through this already.

From Factcheck:

Research shows that spike proteins (here) remain stuck to the cell surface around the injection site and do not travel to other parts of the body via the bloodstream, they added. The 1% of the vaccine that does reach the bloodstream is destroyed by liver enzymes.

Obviously, you guys search and search till you find one guy who supports the position you want to be correct and then proclaim that your position is endorsed by the experts.

 

[Andre]

Crazy talk.

What?!

It is a fact that the more people who are unvaccinated, the greater the risk to those of us who are vaccinated.

 

[canadyjd]

I may have said "selfish", but I do not recall saying it…..

They are "varient factories" and they do endanger people other than themselves…..

At the same time it is OK. But at the same time God gives us peace. It is OK.

I wish someone would study the “perceived risk” of dying from covid and what the actual risk is. For the elderly with pre-existing conditions, the fatality rate is a staggering 5%.

All this effort at mandatory vaccinations, you would think the fatality rate for all age groups was 25-30%. If you ask people in the street, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what they believed.

I remember during the 80s when the AIDS crisis began. The fatality rate was near 100%, and was almost exclusively confined to the g@y population.

Despite that fact, a federal judge refused to allow the city of San Francisco to close public bath houses where the virus was spreading like wildfire.

Today, it’s the opposite. We have a virus that has a survival rate of above 99.9% for most people (exception of elderly) and we are acting like it’s the end of civilization.

We don’t even factor in the tens of millions of people in this country who have recovered from the virus (and have 27 times the immunity of the vaccinated) and continue to make broad sweeping allegations that the “unvaccinated” are endangering people’s lives.

Peace to you

 

[Andre]

It is stupid to think an intramuscular injection stays put.

....and your medical degree is from.....?????

 

[JonC]

I wish someone would study the “perceived risk” of dying from covid and what the actual risk is. For the elderly with pre-existing conditions, the fatality rate is a staggering 5%.

All this effort at mandatory vaccinations, you would think the fatality rate for all age groups was 25-30%. If you ask people in the street, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what they believed.

I remember during the 80s when the AIDS crisis began. The fatality rate was near 100%, and was almost exclusively confined to the g@y population.

Despite that fact, a federal judge refused to allow the city of San Francisco to close public bath houses where the virus was spreading like wildfire.

Today, it’s the opposite. We have a virus that has a survival rate of above 99.9% for most people (exception of elderly) and we are acting like it’s the end of civilization.

We don’t even factor in the tens of millions of people in this country who have recovered from the virus (and have 27 times the immunity of the vaccinated) and continue to make broad sweeping allegations that the “unvaccinated” are endangering people’s lives.

Peace to you

They have. There is a study breaking down the risks by categories. From what I have seen this has changed a bit recently. But the 1% thing is in general and does not consider factors like age, health, gender, etc.

I'd provide it but I can't remember where I found it. Guess I'm in a higher risk category.

 

[SGO]

....and your medical degree is from.....?????

Your alma mater.

Utterly false and inappropriate.

 

[37818]

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

 

[37818]

What?!

It is a fact that the more people who are unvaccinated, the greater the risk to those of us who are vaccinated.

Repeating stupid talk is still stupid.

 

[canadyjd]

They have. There is a study breaking down the risks by categories. From what I have seen this has changed a bit recently. But the 1% thing is in general and does not consider factors like age, health, gender, etc.

I'd provide it but I can't remember where I found it. Guess I'm in a higher risk category.

Me too. Us high riskers should stick together…. just not too close or without masks.

peace to you

 

[Benjamin]

Does the mRNA stay at vaccine site or does it migrate to other places in the body? And what was it suppose to do? Stay at the vaccination site? Why or why not.

 

[Andre]

Your alma mater.

Utterly false and inappropriate.

Since you asked, I have engineering degree from Princeton.

And my point was valid - Reynolds is representing himself as qualified to render detailed medical judgements that are clearly beyond his paygrade.. I, by contrast, do not do this - I challenge you to find anything I have ever written about the detailed medical stuff that, if not directly attributed to a qualified source, was certainly not my own judgement or opinion.

Happy hunting.

 

[Andre]

Repeating stupid talk is still stupid.

Here is what separates me from posters like you: I always substantiate claims with evidence, or am prepared to do if asked.

Here is an absolute 100% take-it-to-the-bank guarantee from me: you will not be able to provide evidence, from a non-loony source, to support your position that the unvaccinated do not pose a risk to the vaccinated. By contrast, here is some evidence that the unvaccinated are indeed a risk:

From Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia:

“Even if you’ve gotten a vaccine there is still a chance,” albeit a “much lower” one, “that you can get symptomatic infection” after contracting the virus from an unvaccinated person, Offit explained. “There is still a chance that you can get serious infection and there is still a chance you can be hospitalized or die from that infection.”

In particular, immunocompromised people, who already have moderately to severely weakened immune systems, “are especially vulnerable to COVID-19, and may not build the same level of immunity” from the vaccines compared with people who are not immunocompromised, the CDC says.

If defending claims by appeal to reputable source constitutes "stupid talk", then, yes, color me stupid.

 

[kyredneck]

Many of us do mind that you don't

...and that's the root of the conflict. Libs/commies that want to dominate, i.e., tyranny. Many of us still value our liberties regardless.

 

[Andre]

...and that's the root of the conflict. Libs/commies that want to dominate, i.e., tyranny. Many of us still value our liberties regardless.

You mean your "liberty" to place others at risk and incur needless expense that we will all have to bear?

How selfless of you.

Commies? Get real.