Music

No attacks here, I agree :thumbs:

 

maybe I need to get my 18 year old daughter to tell you what drew her to the church....I can tell you this, it wasn't rock and roll music...

 

Thankds salty but not what i was looking for. Just upload on this site

 

I just didn't want it going all over, it is a song I wrote and my brother in law enhanced my tune. It is copyrighted but I want a few critques before it hit utube or anything

 

(((((AMEN!!!!!))))) There is NOTHING like those old lined out songs of Zion, Brother Jeff!! When they are sung in the Spirit, there is no other sound that I'd rather hear!!!

"Salvation, O, the Name I love"
"Grace, 'Tis a Charming Sound"
"Amazing Grace"
"Jesus Grant us a Blessing"
"A Poor Wayfaring Stranger"
"The Day is Past and Gone"
"Tarry with Me, O, My Saviour"
"On Jordan's Stormy Banks"
"Jesus Left His Home in Glory"
"Sweet Glories Rush Upon My Sight"

These are just a FEW of the good'uns we sing in the ORBs people. Praise His sweet name for saving a WRETCH like me!! Hallelujah!!!

i am I AM's!!

Willis

 

Water down the gospel and gain a watered down believer. With some music one just gets a headache instead of a heartbreak. Break the heart and win the soul.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Parents are the god-ordained youth ministers. They are the ones expressly charged with bringing up their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Just preach Christ and Him crucified, and don't worry about the demographics. The soul of a youth is not more than the souls of the elderly.

 

I'm sorry to hear that. Have you talked about it with your pastor?

Unfortunately, you're not alone. Biblical illiteracy and the lack of discipleship is a huge problem in the Church today.

On a related note, what happens when musical styles change and all of the "youth" who were attracted to church by the rock band start to complain that the music no longer suits their tastes? Do they just leave? And what does the church say to them?

Yeah, that's a bad boat to be in. I can sympathize. The church we broke off from was like that.

I agree. Christianity is not for the faint hearted.

Will do.

 

Like I said, why is it that everybody is saying "What can we do to attract the youth", but nobody ever asks what they can do to attract old people.

I run into "youth ministers" and alleged pastors all the time who have the big plates in their ears, tatoos all over the place, dressed slovenly, etc, because they want to attract hip young people.

Why? What happens when your church is full of young people? While it's true that there are a lot of young people who are a great voice for the Lord, where are the elderly saints the Bible tells us that God has put in the church to mentor and counsel the young people?

And continuing on in that line, what sort of message does the youth obsession send to the elderly in the church?

 

My church is 75 percent seniors so we have a vested interest in reaching children, youth, middle aged, in addition to senior people. Personally I don't want the church I serve to be known as the senior citizen's church. Rather, I'd like it to be known as the eclectic church where there people of all ages serving and worshiping together.

 

Fourth, "grown up under the ministry of a church" isn't any more a barometer of salvation than "grown up under the presidency of Richard Nixon". I think you are misunderstanding what was saying. Surely if a church is being used of God then children and youth who grow up under the ministry of that church will not leave the church and their faith when they leave home. Many like to criticize what other churches are doing or aren't doing with youth when the church they serve isn't doing any better than those they criticize.

In my church we have a very eclectic blend from traditional hymns (The Baptist Hymnal is a staple in my church), southern gospel, praise and worship, and from time to time "God forbid" popular classic rock songs rewritten with Christian lyrics such as "Amazing Grace" sung to the tune "The House of the Rising Sun" or "Can't You See What Jesus has Done for Me?" to the tune "Can't You See What That Woman is Doing to Me?" No "Gimmicks" though, just worship.

 

That is what I called an "intergenerational church" where you plan events centered around each generation helping the other. Maybe a womans meeting where the older generations teach the younger about serving God and the how to's about it. Or the men of the church have a campout and the older generation and younger sit and talk about how to worship God. But also conduct a right of passage for your young men when they pass into their teenage years and become part of the men who serve, puttting them in positions as ushers, have them as part of the opening prayer rotation. Let them read the scripture passages that begin the service. Let them feel part of helping conduct parts of the worship in song. Get them involved in serving the church rather than keeping them in the background.

 

I will guarantee you that if you pick ten churches at random and ask the youth of those churches the difference between imputed righteousness and infused righteousness or the difference between the general calling and the effectual calling, they will have no clue.

But I'll bet they can tell you who the latest CCM artist is or tell you all about the last trip to the skating rink.

So let me get this straight: we shouldn't stick to hymns because the kids won't be able to relate, but you think they'll relate to House of the Rising Sun???

Why does Amazing Grace need you to fix it?

 

That is the whole problem with many churches, there is no mentoring. The youth can learn and glean from the older generation, when is the last time your church had a bible study for the males of the church, not the men and then tell the teens well your not quite old enough, they are. At 13 they should be old enough to join in with the older men. Get to know them and the youth get to know the older generation. If you have a best friend in the Lord and if you have son help the two of develop the same type friendship you have with that friend. If he has a son get to know his son and be a mentor just as much as his father is, let him get enough confidence in you that he tells you anything in confidence and you can advise him on how to handle it scripturally. We just don't do that, we are in the FAMILY of God are we not, and isn't FAMILY to help FAMILY? The music service should be just a small part of what attracts the youth, rock and roll isn't what it is about, traditional hymns isn't what it is about, it is about WORSHIPPING God and exprssing Praise to Him. It is about making them feel wanted, do you as an adult want to feel wanted, how many adults get their feelings hurt because no one shook their hand or no one talked to them. The youth are that way they just want to feel like they have a place and are wanted even needed, most churches don't do that. The church I attend has a youth lead service every 5th Sunday, the youth are in charge all the way from passing out the bulletins to announcenments, directing the music, the opening prayer and selecting the speaker. They plan and conduct the entire service and guess what they do the old traditional hymns as well as the praise songs they like. They are involved and it is their service. But I think every service should in some form involve the youth and older adults because each group plays a role each group has a gift if they are saved. How many of the youth know what their spiritual gift is and how often do you allow them to use it. Somewhere in the congrgation you may have future pastor, help him develop, or a future evangelist help him develop. You may have a future deacon or administrator help them develop. My generation was never developed like that and I am sure those in their 60's and up were never shown how but we have a generation now that we need to train and get them well grounded for a future that may be filled with persecution we need to get them prepared to stick with their faith, that is the parents and churches job. Why the emphasis on the youth they are the future of the church and we need to ensure they will be well grounded in the faith.

 

So then why do you focus on youth?

 

I agree. That's precisely what we do.

I know you guys are going to call me a Pharisee for this, but in our church, membership is a very difficult process. It's made very clear during the membership process that we are a working and growing church and that if you're made a member, you will be expected to be involved in ministry.

As a result, people are put to work right away, to the level of their ability and maturity in the Lord.

We do. I've talked about this many times here. We currently have nine young men we're mentoring for ministry.

But why forsake those who aren't young because "youth are the future"? What about those in the church right now?