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Muslim says that it is ok to discriminate

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NaasPreacher (C4K)

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El_Guero said:
Roger

I gave the source. If you do not accept the source . . . that is a different argument. And that argument has nothing to do with the repeated attempts to discredit my integrity by lying and saying that I did not cite the source.




SEE BELOW:

Links are important. They allow a reader to see the entire transcript to read statements in their context. Hearing something on the television or radio could possibly be only a sound byte, that's why general practice on boards like this is the find the internet source and link us to it.
 

pinoybaptist

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Lagardo said:
By a slip of the shift key, I mean that I put God-given as opposed to god-given. My point was the intention of our constitution, not that these rights has been given by God.

Now, that is a great topic for discussion. Of course, it flies in the face of the founding our our country, but it would be a good one for discussion.

Of course, its off topic here.

You're right.
It is off topic here.
My apologies to one and all, and to you.
I will start another thread on that very interesting topic.
 

Daisy

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El_Guero said:
Muslim says that it is ok to discriminate when that is part of one's religious belief.

:jesus:

Erick Vickers of the American Muslim Alliance was on the O'Reilley factor and stated that muslims can (& should) discriminate against riders that did not fit their muslim faith, even if they were blind and had a seeing eye dog.

He went on to say that in America we should accomodate religion . . . I vote for sending muslims back to islam to accomodate my religious faith.

:thumbs:
Found it
Apparently, there was an episode on Friday, Jan 5 2007. The synopsis reads:
  • Muslim cab drivers and alcohol
    Guest: Eric Vickers, American Muslim Council

    Why are cab drivers at the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport, many of whom are Muslim, refusing to carry passengers who are transporting alcohol?
So the issue seems to be about alcohol, not dogs.

LE's article mentions dogs in the title & first paragraph but does not elaborate. Are dogs honestly the issue? If so, please cite some evidence.
 
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Petra-O IX

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Daisy said:
Found it
Apparently, there was an episode on Friday, Jan 5 2007. The synopsis reads: So the issue seems to be about alcohol, not dogs.

LE's article mentions dogs in the title & first paragraph but does not elaborate. Are dogs honestly the issue? If so, please cite some evidence.
Thanks for mentioning this Daisy.
This is why providing links is important, it does not mean that what the Poster has stated the subject matter in error but that we need to study the original source so as to decern for ourselves.We all need to work on our courtesy skills(including me) many times we get concerned that people have offended others and want to acknowledge that blame falls only on one person but the truth is that offences can be committed simultaneously by all parties involved.
 

carpro

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Daisy said:
Found it
Apparently, there was an episode on Friday, Jan 5 2007. The synopsis reads: So the issue seems to be about alcohol, not dogs.

LE's article mentions dogs in the title & first paragraph but does not elaborate. Are dogs honestly the issue? If so, please cite some evidence.

It's about both.

I watched about 5 minutes of it that night. I couldn't stomach any more of O'Reilley or Vickers either one.

You can find a story backing up the "Factor" program here:

http://www.drudge.com/news/88938/got-booze-dogs-no-cab-ride-you

and related topic here:

http://www.nfbae.ca/publications/cbm_old/cbm_08.txt


Taxi Driver Pleads Guilty

by Sandi Dewdney

>From the Editor: The last issue of the Canadian Blind Monitor
carried an article concerning the discrimination against Sandi Dewdney,
treasurer of the Vancouver Island Chapter, when she was attempting
to take a taxi in New Orleans. She was dragged from the cab by a driver
who did not want to transport her guide dog. The driver dragged her
by a hand which had been broken in a swimming accident earlier that
week. His actions caused further physical damage. It will be a year
or longer before Sandi will know whether she will regain full use
of her hand. Under the circumstances, the penalty received is mild
indeed. However, Sandi took full advantage of the opportunity to raise
public awareness about blind people working with guide dogs. In the
Federation we find ways to make positive things happen even under
negative circumstances. Here is the news about the outcome of Sandi's
case.

A cab driver, Mahmoud Awad, age 53, was sentenced
to 120 days of community service at the Lighthouse for the Blind after
he pled guilty to battery in a Louisiana court on Wednesday, October
3, 1997. Mr. Awad was charged with battery after he forcibly pulled
me from his cab because he did not want to transport my guide dog.


Mr. Awad, in his defence, stated that he would have transported me
if he had known I was blind. He further stated that he did not see
my dog and did not know it was a guide dog.

Judge Bruce McConduit call Awad's behavior a total disgrace
which he said resulted in embarrassment, not only to Ms. Dewdney,
but also to the City of New Orleans and its residents. He stated
that he had researched the Muslim faith when he was appointed to hear
this case and, although studying the religion and religious texts
extensively, he could find nothing to support Mr. Awad's contention
that his faith forbid contact with dogs. Mr. Awad did not appear to
notice the contradictions in his own statements. Furthermore, Judge
McConduit stated that my rights superseded Mr. Awad's religious rights.
Even if there had been any grounds in his religion, his first duty
as a public service provider was to provide the service he was licensed
to provide, regardless of any reservations on his part. The judge
warned that if Mr. Awad did not do the community service he would
spend 120 days in jail instead. Mr. Awad also lost his license to
drive following an administrative hearing on the incident before the
New Orleans Taxicab Bureau.
 

carpro

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LadyEagle said:
Thank you, carpro, for finding more info.

It's not hard , LE. Took less than 5 minutes.

Of course, I had the advantage of knowing EG's post was accurate, but no one would listen or look for confirmation on their own.

It's a pleasure to be of service, as always.:thumbs:
 

El_Guero

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Thanks Bro'!

Wayne


carpro said:
It's not hard , LE. Took less than 5 minutes.

Of course, I had the advantage of knowing EG's post was accurate, but no one would listen or look for confirmation on their own.

It's a pleasure to be of service, as always.:thumbs:
 

Petra-O IX

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Does anyone on this board suffer from Islamaphobia?

"Islamophobia is a controversial neologism defined as the phenomenon[1] of prejudice against or demonization of Muslims, which manifests itself in general negative attitudes, violence, harassment, discrimination, and stereotyping (particularly vilification in the media."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Muslim

"[W]hen the world is compelled to coin a new term to take account of increasingly widespread bigotry, that is a sad and troubling development. Such is the case with Islamophobia."[6][9]

There is a sure fire way to overcome Islamaphobia and it is not through violence, I am suprised that with as many Christians on this board that no one has figured it out.
 

LadyEagle

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True Christians have no reason to be islamaphobic because we have read the back of the Book and know what happens to satan and his minions/servants.

To not want muslims to change the fabric of the nation I live in is not islamaphobic. I don't want atheists, Nazis, or communists doing it, either.

To the best of my knowledge, no one in this thread has suggested the use of violence to overcome islam in the US. If they have, please point it out. Thanks.
 
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777

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I never really thought the term "Islamophobia" was anything but an invented CAIR term for you khaffirs, but the Islam terrorists do have a point with the guide dog salvia.

The Koran, the Muslim holy book, allows for dogs to mingle with people as long as they have a useful purpose. In later religious documents, called hadiths, dogs are reviled and anything touched by a dog's saliva must be washed six times with water and once with sand.

This has been going on for years: http://www.enquirer.com/editions/1999/04/03/loc_cabbie.html

It all goes back to the Koran, islamophobic one.

LadyEagle said:
To the best of my knowledge, no one in this thread has suggested the use of violence to overcome islam in the US. If they have, please point it out. Thanks.

But, but, but, what about all those "moderate" Muslims? In the US:

The propagation of hate ideology by Saudi Arabia is known to be worldwide, but its occurrence within the United States has received scant attention until now. Within worldwide Sunni Islam, followers of Saudi Arabia’s extremist Wahhabi ideology are a distinct minority, as is evident by the millions of Muslims who have chosen to make America their home and are upstanding, law-abiding citizens and neighbors.

The report concludes that the Saudi government propaganda examined reflects a “totalitarian ideology of hatred that can incite to violence,” and the fact that it is “being mainstreamed within our borders through the efforts of a foreign government, namely Saudi Arabia, demands our urgent attention.” The report finds: “Not only does the government of Saudi Arabia not have a right – under the First Amendment or any other legal document – to spread hate ideology within U.S. borders, it is committing a human rights violation by doing so.”

http://freedomhouse.org/religion/

In the UK this week:

An undercover investigation has revealed disturbing evidence of Islamic extremism at a number of Britain’s leading mosques and Muslim institutions, including an organisation praised by the Prime Minister.

Secret video footage reveals Muslim preachers exhorting followers to prepare for jihad, to hit girls for not wearing the hijab, and to create a ‘state within a state’. Many of the preachers are linked to the Wahhabi strain of Islam practised in Saudi Arabia, which funds a number of Britain’s leading Islamic institutions.

A forthcoming Channel 4 Dispatches programme paints an alarming picture of how preachers in some of Britain’s most moderate mosques are urging followers to reject British laws in favour of those of Islam. Leaders of the mosques have expressed concern at the preachers’ activities, saying they were unaware such views were being disseminated.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1984530,00.html

Looks like whahhabism is a moderate's staple.

The same praise-Allah-and-kill-infidels preaching is found in American mosques, and it is true to the teachings of the Koran. But I'll stop right here, a little Islamophobia goes a long, long way!


Petra-O IX said:
There is a sure fire way to overcome Islamaphobia and it is not through violence, I am suprised that with as many Christians on this board that no one has figured it out

The real Christians agree with you, doh!

Convert or die, that'll stop Islamophobia!

Everytime I even view this forum, I feel like a troll. It's hard to tell the difference between this place with that of DU.
 

carpro

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777 said:
Everytime I even view this forum, I feel like a troll. It's hard to tell the difference between this place with that of DU.

Having visited DU once, I'd have to agree that, at times , it may be hard to tell the difference.

However, at DU, no conservative posters are allowed to post a conservative thought. Period.
 

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10-page warning: This thread will be closed no sooner than 3:00 p.m. ET by one of the moderators.

Lady Eagle
 
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