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Have you ever read Esther?

Have you read Ezekiel 37?

 

[1689Dave]

Why does ethnicity matter?

It's not ethnicity. Are Americans and ethnic group?

 

[1689Dave]

Have you read Ezekiel 37?

Of course, I have. But I don't think you know what it says.

 

[timtofly]

Do you become Jesus drinking his blood and eating his flesh?

Is the Bible His body and flesh?

 

[timtofly]

It's not ethnicity. Are Americans an ethnic group?

Are Israelites an ethnic group?

 

[timtofly]

Of course, I have. But I don't think you know what it says.

So it was totally fullfilled in Esther. There were no longer any ethnic Jews outside of Palestine, and it remained that way to this day?
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

All of this has happened?

 

[John of Japan]

Why are Dispies on a dangerous cult watch list? Dispensationalism - SourceWatch

Because the "watch list" writer is ignorant of exactly what a cult is. He or she lists various sources from completely different groups. Again, there is no strong central leader. So how in the world can dispensationalism be a cult?

I suspect the writer is a liberal, because of this statement: "The Dispensationalists believe that they will go straight to Heaven without the pain of dying, while the rest of the human race - including Jews who don't convert - will soon be wiped out with great suffering." Do you agree with this statement?

For the record, dispensationalists never ever turn liberal. Even it's opponents know this. Again for the record, the article linked to is a Wiki article--anonymous and not well sourced. That is why we don't allow a source like this for a college paper.

 

[1689Dave]

Is the Bible His body and flesh?

“Then Jesus said unto them, ‘Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.’” John 6:53–58 (NCPB)

How do you experience this? Or haven't you experienced this?

 

[1689Dave]

Because the "watch list" writer is ignorant of exactly what a cult is. He or she lists various sources from completely different groups. Again, there is no strong central leader. So how in the world can dispensationalism be a cult?

I suspect the writer is a liberal, because of this statement: "The Dispensationalists believe that they will go straight to Heaven without the pain of dying, while the rest of the human race - including Jews who don't convert - will soon be wiped out with great suffering." Do you agree with this statement?

For the record, dispensationalists never ever turn liberal. Even it's opponents know this. Again for the record, the article linked to is a Wiki article--anonymous and not well sourced. That is why we don't allow a source like this for a college paper.

I know many Dispies who fit the profile.

 

[1689Dave]

So it was totally fullfilled in Esther. There were no longer any ethnic Jews outside of Palestine, and it remained that way to this day?
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

All of this has happened?

You add to scripture when you make Ezekiel say what he does not. Where's Russia? Why would they march on Isreal with spears to steal their cattle? When does this level of eisegesis make you a false prophet?

 

[1689Dave]

Are Israelites an ethnic group?

They are a religion always made up of diverse ethnicities.

 

[timtofly]

“Then Jesus said unto them, ‘Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.’” John 6:53–58 (NCPB)

How do you experience this? Or haven't you experienced this?

Is the Bible His body and flesh?

 

[timtofly]

You add to scripture when you make Ezekiel say what he does not. Where's Russia? Why would they march on Isreal with spears to steal their cattle? When does this level of eisegesis make you a false prophet?

You are the one adding in ideas. What are you talking about? I asked you if all of Ezekiel has happened, NOT the things you are adding yourself. If you are asking yourself, why are you asking me? Tell me one thing I have added. If this has all been fulfilled, you can prove it from what historical records? We are talking about the whole of Israel being restored in one day. We are talking about it staying that way until the end of reality. From the News I am seeing today, Israel is not restored nor complete. And it is not happening in a day. Not even 72 years.

 

[timtofly]

They are a religion always made up of diverse ethnicities.

The descendants of Jacob are now a religion made up of multiple ethnicities? Or was Jacob not even an actual person? I am not talking about some spiritualization of a bunch of athiest. I am talking about physical flesh and blood descendants of Jacob. You do not move to Israel today, because you have a certificate claiming you are an athiest. I think that you have to prove your mom was the daughter of a daughter, of a daughter, going back hundreds of generations, I could be wrong.

 

[1689Dave]

The descendants of Jacob are now a religion made up of multiple ethnicities? Or was Jacob not even an actual person? I am not talking about some spiritualization of a bunch of athiest. I am talking about physical flesh and blood descendants of Jacob. You do not move to Israel today, because you have a certificate claiming you are an athiest. I think that you have to prove your mom was the daughter of a daughter, of a daughter, going back hundreds of generations, I could be wrong.

When God instituted circumcision, it made one Abraham's covenant seed. At the time Abraham had over 300 foreign servants and their families. All became Abraham's covenant seed through circumcision. Only Ishmael was a circumcised blood relative. When they left Egypt, they were a mixed multitude of foreigners and blood relatives. It was never about blood. It was always religion initiated by circumcision.

 

[1689Dave]

You are the one adding in ideas. What are you talking about? I asked you if all of Ezekiel has happened, NOT the things you are adding yourself. If you are asking yourself, why are you asking me? Tell me one thing I have added. If this has all been fulfilled, you can prove it from what historical records? We are talking about the whole of Israel being restored in one day. We are talking about it staying that way until the end of reality. From the News I am seeing today, Israel is not restored nor complete. And it is not happening in a day. Not even 72 years.

The church is Israel restored in the new birth. To be fully restored in the resurrection on the last day.

 

[1689Dave]

Is the Bible His body and flesh?

You need to understand what Jesus is saying. Not trying to debate it.

 

[timtofly]

When God instituted circumcision, it made one Abraham's covenant seed. At the time Abraham had over 300 foreign servants and their families. All became Abraham's covenant seed through circumcision. Only Ishmael was a circumcised blood relative. When they left Egypt, they were a mixed multitude of foreigners and blood relatives. It was never about blood. It was always religion initiated by circumcision.

So God is confused when talking about tribes and the twelve sons of Jacob?

You can spiritualize Ezekiel 37 as an interpretation. Does your spiritual interpretation add or change the words?

How did your interpretation get fulfilled and when?

 

[timtofly]

You need to understand what Jesus is saying. Not trying to debate it.

I thought we need to understand each other to figure out what we are even trying to say? I have never in my life sat down and had a rib of Jesus, and a cup of his blood. But I have no clue what you think is a rib and blood.

 

[timtofly]

The church is Israel restored in the new birth. To be fully restored in the resurrection on the last day.

If it is the last day, the forever part is just a few seconds? Then the prophecy has nothing to do with present reality. This reality will be over on the last day.