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I was a Dispensationalist and fully saved. But did not know anything about Eschatology per se. I studied all of the available choices today for years it seems. But when I studied the 4 gospels about the Kingdom, Jesus's spiritual kingdom cinched it for me. All the Millennial theories went out of the window at that time.seems that some see one must have the 'right" view eschatology to even be saved!
Can one deny A mil view and be saved?I was a Dispensationalist and fully saved. But did not know anything about Eschatology per se. I studied all of the available choices today for years it seems. But when I studied the 4 gospels about the Kingdom, Jesus's spiritual kingdom cinched it for me. All the Millennial theories went out of the window at that time.
I think once God opens their eyes they can't thank him enough. Think of the bondage and the twisted minds that happen as a result of theologies based on lies.Can one deny A mil view and be saved?
Scripture is clear on this one.
"Repent, believe, and accept an Amil position and you will be saved", "one must be born again and accept an Amil view", " I, along with the Amil position, am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me, and of course the Amil position".
seems that some see one must have the 'right" view eschatology to even be saved!
I was a Dispensationalist and fully saved. But did not know anything about Eschatology per se. I studied all of the available choices today for years it seems. But when I studied the 4 gospels about the Kingdom, Jesus's spiritual kingdom cinched it for me. All the Millennial theories went out of the window at that time.
Can one deny A mil view and be saved?
Why in the world do you keep posting straw men and wild geese? Who says only Amill will be saved? Who believes that? Who believes only premillenial dispensationalists will be saved?
Still not the end of the world, just a few ages. The church age, and the 6000 year age of Adam's punishment on his descendants. The end is still 1000 years away. We have lost sight on what it is to develop a kingdom of regenerated souls. It is not a moral government to protect our rights! Or wrongs, which tends to be the normal end of church married to Satan's state.Hey, everybody else just throws out all of Jesus' Kingdom Preaching!!
You sound like you're saying Jesus could Come Back and that that is The End of The World, like the Bible Says (maybe you're not saying that);
"Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power." I Corinthians 15:24
Still not the end of the world, just a few ages. The church age, and the 6000 year age of Adam's punishment on his descendants. The end is still 1000 years away. We have lost sight on what it is to develop a kingdom of regenerated souls. It is not a moral government to protect our rights! Or wrongs, which tends to be the normal end of church married to Satan's state.
Revelation 10:6-7Where do you put any of your reply comments into this verse?
"Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power." I Corinthians 15:24
Revelation 10:6-7
The church has lost sight of both the spiritual and physical kingdom. Yes some are still evangelizing. The point of the next 1000 years, is that God is going to show us what God’s kingdom consists of. ....
After 2000 years of the church attempting to spread the gospel, it is also the end of the whole mystery of God. That is the 6000 year end of sin and knowing evil itself. ... It is the end of all ages and kingdoms. Then God will have His own 1000 year kingdom with Jesus Christ in control. ... There will be one last harvest at the battle of Armageddon. Then all kingdoms and power will be complete, it will just take 3.5 more years before the 1000 year reign can start.
God to finish what God started 7000 years ago? No one figured out that God let this creation work perfectly for 1000 years. ... This is not at the end of a non-existent spiritual 1000 years. We as sons of God will serve in God's temple for 1000 years,
I do not disagree. The 6th seal has God on the throne here on earth. The Lamb by God’s side here on earth. Revelation 1:7 declares it will happen as coming through the clouds. This sets up the week of the Second Coming. But the Second Coming is not quite yet. The 6th seal would be the event of Jesus' baptism where John the Baptist witnessed the Trinity. It was the start of the earthly ministry, not the Cross. The week at the end of Jesus' earthly ministry is the Second Coming. This time all will see. All will know what all those 000s are. That some could see them now?There are a lot of '000's in your reply that I don't see in The Bible.
ALL of the 7 VISIONS in the Book of Revelation Contain Announcements
and Introductions, and later, full descriptions
of The Final Judgment, as you mentioned, from 10 & 11.
Just as revealed in "Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power." I Corinthians 15:24
.....and all these 66 scriptures, just from Matthew through III John:
9.0.0 > NT Intro iv: SIXTY-SIX NEW TESTAMENT Verses Teach The SECOND COMING of JESUS CHRIST & THE END of TIME.
The Two HALVES of REVELATION
are Distinct in The Kind of Detail, they Reveal.
...
In the First Half of Revelation
Chapters 1-11 cover The First Three
VISIONS, in 3 of the 7 Sections
( The first section with
"Christ in the Midst
of the Lamp-stands"
in REVELATION 1:1 – 3:22
&
The second section concerning
"The Vision of Heaven
and the Seals"
in REVELATION 4:1 – 7:17
&
The third section concerning
"The Seven Trumpets"
in REVELATION 8:1 – 11:19 )
...
ALL three of these
first 3 of 7 VISIONS Contain Announcements
and Introductions to The Final Judgment.
…
Notice how ALL three of these
first 3 of 7 VISIONS Contain Announcements
and Introductions to The Final Judgment.
...
In the First VISION of
"Jesus Christ in the Midst
of the Lamp-stands"
in REVELATION 1:1 – 3:22,
we have only a mere mention
of Coming Judgment
without any description,
in REVELATION 1:7;
...
“Behold, He comes with clouds;
and every eye will see Him
and they also which Pierced Him:
and all kindreds of the Earth
will wail because of Him.
Even so, Amen.”
…
In the Second VISION,
concerning
"The Vision of Heaven
and the Seals"
in REVELATION 4:1 - 7:17,
Final Judgment
is not merely mentioned,
it is now Definitely Introduced,
and we see
The HORROR of The FINAL JUDGMENT,
but again there is no description,
in these verses,
in REVELATION 6:12-17;
…
“And I beheld,
when He had Opened The Sixth Seal
and lo, there was A Great Earthquake;
and The Sun became black
as sackcloth of hair
and The Moon became as blood;
…
“And the Stars of Heaven
fell to The Earth,
even as a fig tree
casts her untimely figs,
when she is shaken
of a mighty wind,
…
“And the Heaven
Departed as a scroll
when it is rolled together;
and
every mountain and island
were Moved out of their places.
…
“And
the kings of the Earth
and the great men
and the rich men
and the chief captains
and the mighty men
and every bondman
and every free man,
hid themselves in the dens
and in the rocks of the mountains;
…
“And said to the mountains and rocks,
Fall on us and
hide us from The Face of Him
that Sits on The Throne
and from The Wrath of The Lamb;
…
“Because,
The Great Day of His Wrath
has Come;
and
who will be able to stand ?”
…
con't
I moved from pre trib rapture to historical premil, what caused you to go to A Mil then, was it seeing the Messianic Age fully in a spiritual sense?I was raised a dispensationalist. I was saved as a dispensationalist. Then, as I read the Bible, I saw that the concept of the rapture is not actually taught in scripture. The "rapture" is extrapolated from a few verses if you create a pretext, but it is not actually taught by the Apostles.
So, as I have read and studied, I have moved to an ammillenial position.
Did my position as a child of God change because of my shift? Not at all. God saved me in my dispensationalism and he still keeps me as an ammillenialist. Our view on Christ's return does not affect our salvation. It does, however, affect our actions on earth. How I view missions has changed immensely. I am much more missional and much more confident of God's work in missions than I was as a dispensationalist. The primary reason for this is that I also was a synergist and I now am a monergists. My understanding of God's Sovereignty has changed.