My Outline of Endtime Events for 2006 Study

[Mel Miller]

Me4Him,

Respectfully, instead of referencing a curse
(for which I am sorry), your theory assumes
that Jesus marries His Bride IN heaven.

But ALL the Saints "prepare for His wedding".
These Saints include Trib-Martyrs who are in heaven right up to the moment He comes to destroy the wicked and "gathers the elect
from earth to heaven after the tribulation".

The Scripture for the wedding is Rev.19:7-10 where "heaven opens and Christ descends with ALL
the Saints in heaven" for the wedding at which
ALL of Israel, saved on that day, will become the invited guests . . . on the earth!!

I have given you the Scripture. Where, please,
please, is the Scripture for a "double wedding," one for Jesus and one for God separated by 7
years???

I urge that you must not "split" the Trinity as if there are two marriages. The Bride of the Lamb will include all those whose garments are washed in the Blood of the Lamb UP TO THE DAY Christ returns.

All Israel will be saved; but not as members
of the Lamb's Bride!!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

[Ed Edwards]

'Resurrection' below means
the 'resurrection2' i've
described above or for our Dear Lord,
'resurrection3'. 'Rapture' used below means
the 'rapture2' denoted above.

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\o/ Glory to the Lord \o/

\o/ Praise be to Jesus \o/

Five Resurrections
Found in the Holy Bible
Compared and Contrasted

The Lord God is a resurrecting God.

Definitions:

New Testament: God's contract on goy
Old Testament: God's contract on Yisrael
Resurrection: a person who was dead is alive
Saint: a person on God's list (AKA: Book of Life)
Tribulation: AKA: The Time of Jacob's Trouble (Jeremiah 30:4-7);
--Yisrael passing under the rod (Ezekiel 20:34-3;
--Melting Pot (Ezekiel 22:19-22);
--Time of Trouble (Daniel 12:1); etc.
Resurrection: a person who was dead is alive
goy - Yisraeli term for gentiles (probably slightly derogotory)
Yisrael - Transliteration of the Hebrew term for "Israel" into English.

How to get on God's list:

Romans 10:9 (KJV): That if thou
shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt
believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from
the dead, thou shalt be saved.


1. Resurrection of Jesus
WHO: Jesus
WHEN: 33AD
WHERE: Jerusalem
WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal; because of the
resurrection of Jesus, all the other resurrections
are possible
References: Matthew 28:6, Mark 16:6, Luke 24:6-8


2. Resurrection of some Old Testament Saints
WHO: Some of those who died before Jesus believeing God, especially
those who believed in God's Messiah
WHEN: 33AD
WHERE: mostly in Jerusalem
WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal

3. Resurrection of the New Testament Saints
WHO: Church age (AKA: times of the Gentiles) Saints; balance
of the Old Testament Saints
WHEN: Some date after 3 Sept 2005;
at the end of the Church Age; at the beginning of
the Tribulation
WHERE: Worldwide
WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal;
this resurrection is followed in but a
moment by the translation of the living
saints into a glorified heavenly body like
that of Jesus
References: 1 Corinthians 15:52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

4. Resurrection of the Tribulation Saints
WHO: Those beheaded for faith in Jesus; those
who reject the Mark of the Beast
WHEN: at the end of the Tribulation; at the
beginning of the 1,000-year reign of Jesus
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal
References: Revelation 20:4-6,

5. Resurrection of the non-Saints
WHO: All those throughout time who have rejected Jesus
WHEN: At the close of the 1,000-year reign of Jesus;
at the beginning of eternity
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: i don't know, God does
HOW: i don't know, God does
WHAT: Raised to eternal shame & damnation
References: Revelation 20:12-15

NOTE: The delineation of the five revealed
resurrections above
does not preclude other resurrections. The Lord God
is a resurrecting God and His hand is not shortened
by his revelation to us or
by our understaning of His revelation to us.
For example: Two Witnesses shall
be resurrected in the middle of the Tribulation.

There is a pastoral picture of the four resurrections
for which the resurrection of Jesus was a precusor
(numbered here as above):

2. The First Fruits (Matthew 27:22-53)

3. The Harvest (1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

4. The Gleanings (Revelation 7:14, 20:4)

5. The Tares (Matthew 13:28-30)

Sometimes the Holy Bible calls resurrections 2-4, the resurrections
of the just: The First Resurrection (because all the
resurrections of the just preceede the resurrection
of the unjust).

The following scriptures seem to imply a simultaneous
resurrection of the just and the wicked dead:
Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29 (all resurrected
in the same hour), Acts 24:15. Revelation 20-4-6
cleary notes that the just are raised one day
(a 1,000 year long day) before the unjust.

CAUTION: The numbering scheme 1 to 5 above was arbitrarliy
assigned to enable the discussion. There is nothing
sacred or Biblical about this numbering scheme.

May Jesus our Savior and our Master be Praised!

Note that ressurrections #2 and #3 are accompanied
by a rapture of living saints.

--compilation by ed, incurable Jesus Phreaque

 

[Mel Miller]

Ed,

The resurrection to which Jesus refers in John 6:38-40 includes "every/all believers" on the last day ... the day He is "revealed" from heaven WITH ALL the Saints. Luke 17:30; 2 Thess.
1:7-10.

"God brings the souls of (Trib) saints who die
in the Lord WITH Jesus and those who survive are
caught up WITH them to meet the Lord". That is
only one of several scriptures stating that He comes FOR as well as WITH all the Saints.

I quote scripture. There is no scripture that
offers bodily resurrection at or just before
the start of the great tribulation. Your view
is based on "theory"; not scripture.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Mel Miller:
Me4Him,

Respectfully, instead of referencing a curse
(for which I am sorry), your theory assumes
that Jesus marries His Bride IN heaven.

But ALL the Saints "prepare for His wedding".
These Saints include Trib-Martyrs who are in heaven right up to the moment He comes to destroy the wicked and "gathers the elect
from earth to heaven after the tribulation".

The Scripture for the wedding is Rev.19:7-10 where "heaven opens and Christ descends with ALL
the Saints in heaven" for the wedding at which
ALL of Israel, saved on that day, will become the invited guests . . . on the earth!!

I have given you the Scripture. Where, please,
please, is the Scripture for a "double wedding," one for Jesus and one for God separated by 7
years???

I urge that you must not "split" the Trinity as if there are two marriages. The Bride of the Lamb will include all those whose garments are washed in the Blood of the Lamb UP TO THE DAY Christ returns.

All Israel will be saved; but not as members
of the Lamb's Bride!!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

Mt 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they (Jews) would not come.

Mt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mt 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they (Jews) which were bidden were not worthy.

Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. (Invite Gentiles/Church)

Mt 22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

Da 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: (Lamb's marriage supper/Trib period)

Joh 2:1 And the third day (MK) there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:

Joh 2:2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.

Jesus's marriage Supper takes place "DURING THE TRIB", God's "Remarriage" to Israel takes place "DURING THE MK", or "in the third day" or "Seventh day", in "CANA".

You have to understand the Parables to understand what/why things happen.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Mel Miller: //The resurrection to which Jesus refers in John 6:38-40
includes "every/all believers" on the last day ... the day
He is "revealed" from heaven WITH ALL the Saints. Luke 17:30; 2 Thess.
1:7-10.//

Amen, Brother Mel Miller -- Preach it!

1. At the beginning of the LAST DAY, Jesus will come get the saints
at the pretriublation rapture1 (a resurrection2 followed by a rapture2)
and Start Daniel's 70th week.

2. At the end of the LAST DAY, Jesus will come to get the last
gleamings of the saints and to get all the bad Guys and get rid
of them & set up his Physical Millinnial Kingdom on earth,
this is a Resurrection1 (a resurrection2 followed by a rapture2)
and ends Daniel's 70th week.

Mel Miller: //Your view utterly denies the teaching of Paul
that "all the Saints will come with Jesus at
His Presence". Your view separates the Rapture
and the First Resurrection by seven years!!!!!//

That view makes

1. the pretribulation rapture1 (a resurrection2 followed
by a rapture2) and

2 the postribulation resurrection1 (a resurrection2 followed by a rapture2)

BOTH part of THE FIRST
RESURRECTION. The prooftext is Revelelation 20:4 which
shows two distinct sets of saints.

Revelation 20:4 (HCSB = Christian Standard Bible /Holman, 2003/):

Then I saw thrones, and people seatend on them who
were given authority to judge.
I ALSO SAW (Greek 'kai', the English 'and'
usually) the souls of those who
had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and
Because of God's word, who had not worshiped the beast or his
image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads
or their hands. They came to life and reighned with
the Messiah for 1,000 years.

1. "Then I saw thrones, and people seatend on them who
were given authority to judge."

2. "the souls of those who
had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and
Because of God's word, who had not worshiped the beast or his
image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads
or their hands."

Recognize the two groups of saints are from the two 'Second Coming's
of Jesus.

Unfortunately, some will sacrifice everything in Revelation
chapter 20 after spiritualizing the PHYSICAL Millinnial Kingdom
of our Blessed Lord and Savior, Messiah Jesus.

Mel Miller: //Ed, I am very disapointed that you state:

1. "Men reap tares" instead of the Son of Man.
2. "God elsewhere precludes that at the last
day He resurrects the evil prior to the good.
3. "Revelation 20 appears to conflict "the tares
first" phrase in Matthew 13:30.//

Take it up with the Boss. He makes the truth, not me.
IMHO, it sure beats the three ring circus; eh, er, well 'three Concentric Paths'.

BTW, #3 is my wording for something YOU noted, it is not
part of my standard presentation but something that you appeared
to be confused about. How do you deal with apparent contraditions
between one part of the Bible and another part of the Bible?
I try to figure it out in my head how the contradiction is NOT FROM GOD
but is in my head. If that doesn't figure it out, I wait on the Holy
Spirit to show me. Don't even think for a minute that what I say
today I would have said 10 years ago, right after the First Gulf War
or 50 years ago when I got saved. In fact, stick around, the Lord
might give me a new understanding of the scripture any moment.
Just like God gave me some new insight when I read Me4Him's eschatological
charts - He will give me more - if i study constant, pray constant, and
try to figure out what God is saying to me through those He has put
across my path

I used to believe in the pretribulation rapture when I didn't even
see these scriptures as pretirublation1 scriptures:

Matthew 24:31
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Revelation 4:1

BTW1, I'm disappointed that nobody noticed how evangelistic
that 5-Resurrections writing is. Aren't you glad you are a
saved person and will be taken BEFORE THE Tribulation Period when Jesus
comes to get us BEFORE THE Tribulation Period at the pretribulation
rapture? Shot 'AMEN' if you are saved [caveat, this statement assumes
that the reader is saved].

BTW2, when I was working on research for the '5 Judgement'
message which preceeded the '5 Resurrections'
message, i saw a web page that discussed 24 seperate/unique Judgements.
The underpinning of the Scripute is that ALL WILL BE JUDGED. To assume
all will be judged the same clock hour IS AN ASSUMPTION not made in
the scripture. Judgement is sure, timing of the Judgement(s) is
in God's time, not ours.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Me4Him:

In the rapture, Jesus reaps the "SAVED" off the earth, the "UNSAVED"
remain on earth for the trib.

At Jesus second coming, the "ANGEL REAPERS" reap the "UNSAVED"
off the earth, the "SAVED remain for the MK.

Jesus reaps saved, going up, heaven
Angel reap unsaved, going down, hell

Jesus reaps, unsaved remain behind (trib)
Angel reap, saved remain behind (MK)

Jesus reaps, start of trib
Angel reap, end of trib.

Amen, Brother Me4Him -- Preach it!
These are just a few of the differences between
the Rapture1 before the Tribulation Period and the
Resurrection1 after the Tribulation Period.

I think generally 'reaping' of souls is OF THE LIVING.
I think the resurrection1 of the dead for the
Great White Throne judgement is OF THE DEAD.

Mel Miller: //I quote scripture.//

I list the scripture address, those who want to read the scripture
will, those who won't won't. I still get complaints that my posts
are to long, they would be longer still if i quoted all the scriputres.
The post-tribulation rapture2 onlists use the same scriptures that
we pretribulation rapture1 believers use; the Calvinists & Arm's use
the same scriptures; the OSAS folk and 'good luck makin' it'-ites
use the same scriptures.

Mel Miller: //There is no scripture that
offers bodily resurrection at or just before
the start of the great tribulation.//

There is no scripture that says DIRECTLY that one day mankind
will figure out how to destroy, AT LEAST all human life AT MOST
all life, on earth in any given fortnight -- but never forget it is
true. In fact, 99.99% of all life can now be destroyed in a clock
hour. When I was a child AND A CHIRISTAN, i though it was great
that God was going to wup it up on the bad guys. But about 1964 it
became possible for human kind to destroy all human life on earth,
then I began to realise - God needs to interceede in human affairs
to keep mankind from self-destruction.

Mel Miller (page 1): //Teaching the Day of the Lord includes
Daniel’s 70th Seven very
misleading as it requires a 1007-Year-Day of the Lord!//

Actually there are three 'DAY OF THE LORD's:

1. The 7-year-day:
The Tribulation period,
all of Daniel's 70th week
When our LORD brings judgement to earth

2. The 12-hour-day:
The Second Advent
the end 12-hour-day of Daniel's 70th Week,
the start of the Millinnial Messianic Kingdom

3. The 1,000-year-day:
The physical Millinnial Messianic Kingdom

So as can be seen, the "limit the Triune God to
one-and-only one 'day'" is just NOT WHERE IT IS AT.
BTW, 7 years is 7/10s of one percent.
7/10s of an 8-hour-work-day of 480-minutes
is 3.4 minutes. By contrast, the sidreal day
(a 'day' relative to the stars) is 4 minutes less
than the 'mean solar day' relative to the sun of 24--hours.
So even a nominal 24-hour day varies more than
the 7-years does to the 1,000 years.

Me4Him:

Jesus rapture only the Church, be they Jew/Gentiles, the breach
between God and Israel isn't "healed" until the trib, this is
one reason why they (Jews) enter the trib and the church doesn't.

Israel was "First" with God, then they rejected Jesus and became "Last",
the church became "First",

However, Israel will be restored to "FIRST".

Mt 19:30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

Amen, Brother Me4Him - Preach it!

 

[Ed Edwards]

Five Judgements

The Lord God is a judging God

"To judge" can mean three things in the Holy Bible:

A. to discern between good and evil (human function)
B. to condemn, usually falsely (human function)
C. to reward the just & punish the evil (Godly function)

The Five Judgements:

1. Believers for SIN on the Cross
WHO: All who will Believe
WHEN: 33AD
WHERE: Jerusalem
WHY: The Lord God is a merciful God.
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: found innocent by the Bood of Jesus

How to get from judgement 1 to judgement 2
(and avoid judgements 3, 4, or 5):

Romans 10:9 (KJV): "That if thou
shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt
believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from
the dead, thou shalt be saved."

2. Judgement Seat of Christ
WHO: Believers for works
WHEN: during the Great Tribulation on earth;
Right after the Rapture/Resurrection that starts
the Tribulation
WHERE: Heaven
WHY: to assign rewards (including
the Millinnial Kingdom rest)
to the redeemed for their good works
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: found innocent by the Bood of Jesus

3. Judgement of Yisrael under Antichrist
(Ezekiel 22:17-22 Time of Jacob's Trouble; Ezekiel 20:34-38;
Jeremiah 30:1-24; Revelation 6-19)
WHO: Yisrael
WHEN: during the Tribulation
WHERE: earth
WHY: The Lord God fulfills His promises
HOW: The wrath of God by Messiah Jesus
WHAT: Great Tribulation

4. Throne of His Glory judgement
(AKA: Sheep and Goats judgement, Matthew 25:31-46,
2 Cor 5:10, 1 Cor 3:11-15)
WHO: the nations: the living survivers of the Great Tribulation
(these people are NOT saved, they are human in human bodies)
WHEN: after the Great Tribulation, before the Millennial Age
WHERE: Jerusalem
WHY: The Lord God fulfills His promises: God will bless those
who bless Yisrael and curse those who curse Yisrael
HOW: Judged by their treatment of Yisrael
WHAT: the cursed to Hell; the blessed to the Millennial Age

5. Great White Throne judgement
(Revelation 20:11:15)
WHO: the wicked dead
WHEN: after the Millennial Age; before endless ages
WHERE: between Hell and the Lake of Fire
WHY: The Lord God is not mocked
HOW: The wrath of God by Messiah Jesus
WHAT: the Messiah rejectors consigned to endless punishment

NOTE: The delineation of the five revealed
judgements above does not preclude other specific
or general judgements. One place on the net i found
a chart where TWENTY-FOUR judgements were delineated.
The Lord God is a judging God and His hand is not shortened
by His revelation to us nor
by our understaning of His revelation to us.

May Jesus our Savior and our Lord be Praised!

--compilation by ed,
incurable Jesus Phreaque

 

[Mel Miller]

Ed,
Quote:
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1. At the beginning of the LAST DAY, Jesus will come get the saints at the pretriublation rapture1 (a resurrection2 followed by a rapture2)
and Start Daniel's 70th week.

2. At the end of the LAST DAY, Jesus will come to get the last gleamings of the saints and to get all the bad Guys and get rid of them & set up his Physical Millinnial Kingdom on earth,
this is a Resurrection1 (a resurrection2 followed by a rapture2)and ends 70th week.
_______________________________________________

Your entire theory hinges on "assuming" the
Last Day is seven years in length. That is
absolutely foreign to the word of the Lord
that He will "raise up all believers on the
same Day He is revealed from heaven"!

Jesus stated that DAY occurs on "ONE OF THE
DAYS AFTER THE GREAT TRIBLATION"!!!!!!!!!!!
2 Thess.1:7-10; Luke 17:30; Mark 13:24-27.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

[Me4Him]

Mel

Does this help you to understand what is being said???

 

[Mel Miller]

Me4Him,

There is no scriptural evidence of a rapture
prior to Daniel's 70th "Seven". Jesus taught
He "will raise up every believer on the last
day and He will gather the elect from earth
to heaven in the days immediately after the
great tribulation".

Just accept the word of the Lord and you
won't have to resort to arguments that have
no scriptural basis. The Rapture passage
clearly includes Trib-Martyrs among those
whom "God brings with Jesus" and therefore
those who are "caught up with them to meet
the Lord" include Trib-Survivors.

There is no difference between the Day of
Christ and Day of the Lord. Your theory
of a "difference" has long ago been proven false!!

Mel

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Mel Miller:
Me4Him,

There is no scriptural evidence of a rapture
prior to Daniel's 70th "Seven".

There is no difference between the Day of
Christ and Day of the Lord. Your theory
of a "difference" has long ago been proven false!!

Mel

The "Day of Christ", Jesus is the "BRIDEGROOM", coming only for his "BRIDE", the Church. (in the twinkling of an eye, Rapture)


The "Day of the Lord", Jesus appears in the "SKY", everyone sees him, he comes as "LORD OF LORDS" over the whole earth.

Words have meaning, day is not night, night is not day, and neither is the "day of Christ" the same as "day of the lord".

But don't tell the NIV translators.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by Me4Him:
The "Day of Christ", Jesus is the "BRIDEGROOM", coming only for his "BRIDE", the Church. (in the twinkling of an eye, Rapture)


The "Day of the Lord", Jesus appears in the "SKY", everyone sees him, he comes as "LORD OF LORDS" over the whole earth.

Words have meaning, day is not night, night is not day, and neither is the "day of Christ" the same as "day of the lord".

-
Amen, Brother Me4Him - Preach it !

-

 

[Mel Miller]

Ed and Me4Him,

Why is it necessary for you two to distinguish
between the Day of the Lord and the Day of
Christ in order to support the theory of two
separate "raptures" of the Saints.

It is irrefutable that Jesus said the Son of
Man will "gather the Elect from earth to heaven
on one of the days immediately after the great
tribulaton". Like you say, this will happen in
a twinkling of an eye. Mark 13:24-27.

It is also irrefutable that He will "send the
angels with the sound of another great trumpet (the last trump) to gather these Elect from all the extremities of the heavens" after "every eye
sees Him and the tribes of earth mourn".
Matt.24:30-31.

Don't you think this agrees with His promise
to "raise up every believer on the last day"?
There is no "trump" after the one on the last
day if Jesus comes on the "last day" to raise
up all believers, as He said. John 6:38-40.

Or would you say He just didn't reveal that
there would be two "last days" and two "last
trumps... one to "keep pre-trib Church saints from tribulation" and one to keep Trib-Saints from physical death after they "overcome to the End"? Ar are there two "ends" also? Rev.2:25-26.

After all, if there are two "last days," there could be two "ends" of the age and two "last
trumps"! You should find this quite acceptable.
Mel www.lastday.net

 

[Ed Edwards]

Mel Miller: //It is irrefutable that Jesus said the Son of
Man will "gather the Elect from earth to heaven
on one of the days immediately after the great
tribulaton". Like you say, this will happen in
a twinkling of an eye. Mark 13:24-27.//

I refuted it. Mark 13, Matthew 24-45, and Luke 21 are parallel passages
called 'the Mount Olivet Discourse (of Jesus)'. They say much the
same thing. Some pretribulation rapturists say these passages are
for Jews only, not for Gentile saints. (this may be the position of
Me4Him. However, about 4 years ago the Lord showed me how, because of
the polysyndeton use of Kai in the Greek (usually 'and' in the English
but also 'but' or 'then') these passage are also for us Gentile Believers.

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In Matthew 24:3 the disciples of Jesus
ask three questions:

(in the order asked):
1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
2. What is the sign of His coming?
3. What is the sign of the end of age?

Jesus answers these questions in
Matthew 24:4-44, then follows them with
some parables.

Here are the answers of Jesus in the
order the questions were asked:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

Here is a summary of the answers
in the order in which events will occur:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Soon, it was in 70AD

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
No signs preceeding the end of the age

2. What is the sign of His coming?
The Sign of His coming will be the
Tribulation period.

Recall the Greek language in which this
Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD) was written
did not have Microsoft Word to do it with.
So many ands, buts, and other connectors
give the outline. 'Polysyndeton' is a retorical device that uses
(in English) repeated connectors (usually 'and')
instead of an outline. This is most noticable
in the Bible in Genesis 1 and Matthew 24.
I believe the major outline to be:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

The Gathering in Matthew 24:31 is the
Rapture/resurrection which ends the
current church age (gentile age, age of grace,
last days, etc.)

Thus Matthew 24:4-14 describes all of the
church age even up to this time.
Matthew 24:4-14 describes the church age.
The signs of Matthew 24:4-14 are signs
that the church age continues.
-------------------------------------------

This shows clearly that the general gathering of the
Gentile Age saints is NOT after the Tribulation period.
2 Thessalonians shows the general gathering of the
Gentile Age saints is BEFORE THE Arrival of Antichrist
(when the Tribulation period starts).

 

[Mel Miller]

Ed,

Sorry, my friend, but there is no scripture in
2 Thess.2 that proves your following claim:
________________________________________________
"This shows clearly that the general gathering of the Gentile Age saints is NOT after the Tribulation period. 2 Thessalonians shows the general gathering of the Gentile Age saints is BEFORE THE Arrival of Antichrist".
_______________________________________________

Ed, the reason for my response is that you can't
disprove the rapture takes place "in the days immediately after the great tribulation"!

It will happen on the "last day, at the last
trump, at the end of the age and exactly as
Jesus said, i.e., at the Sign of His Presence
"He will send the angels to gather the elect
out of the heavens with the (last) great trump"
AFTER He first "gathers these elect from earth
to heaven". This, I repeat, is irrefutable!!!

Mel www.lastday.net

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Mel Miller:
Ed,

Sorry, my friend, but there is no scripture in
2 Thess.2 that proves your following claim:
________________________________________________
"This shows clearly that the general gathering of the Gentile Age saints is NOT after the Tribulation period. 2 Thessalonians shows the general gathering of the Gentile Age saints is BEFORE THE Arrival of Antichrist".
_______________________________________________

Ed, the reason for my response is that you can't
disprove the rapture takes place "in the days immediately after the great tribulation"!

It will happen on the "last day, at the last
trump, at the end of the age and exactly as
Jesus said, i.e., at the Sign of His Presence
"He will send the angels to gather the elect
out of the heavens with the (last) great trump"
AFTER He first "gathers these elect from earth
to heaven". This, I repeat, is irrefutable!!!

Mel www.lastday.net

The AC can't have the "authority" given to him so long as the "Holy Ghost" (restrainer) is present in the world, "HE" must be "taken out of the way" first, this is when the church is raptured.

Israel goes back under the "law and Prophets" system of leadership during the trib. (two witnesses, Moses/Elijah)

 

[Mel Miller]

Me4Him,

The text does not say the Holy Spirit will be
removed from earth and that He will take the
Church to heaven. The only time Christ speaks
of taking the Saints from earth is "after the
great tribulation when all men see THE SIGN of His Presence before the angels complete the
"gathering of all the Saints" out of all the extremities of the heavenS. Paul revealed that Jesus must come FOR all the Saints before He comes WITH them. I Thess.3:13. Those Saints
include Trib-Martyrs who will "die in the LOrd and will be asleep in Jesus".

The restrainer is not the TRUE Church. The
restrainer is the FALSE Church, Mystery Babylon
the Great. God's Judgment will "take her out of
the midst" of world-power government. Only then will God "put into the hearts of Ten Kings to give their power and authority to the Beast".

The TRUE Church is not supposed to be "taken" until "after the great tribulation" as Jesus taught. He prayed "NOT that we be taken out of
the world; but that we be kept from the evil".

You are not able to give a scriptural reason
for removing the Holy Spirit from earth at
the very time that "God will pour out His
spirit on all flesh" . . . especially Israel.

Mel www.lastday.net

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Mel Miller:
The TRUE Church is not supposed to be "taken" until "after the great tribulation" as Jesus taught. He prayed "NOT that we be taken out of
the world; but that we be kept from the evil".

You are not able to give a scriptural reason
for removing the Holy Spirit from earth at
the very time that "God will pour out His
spirit on all flesh" . . . especially Israel.

Mel www.lastday.net

Re 13:7 And it was given unto him (AC) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power (dominion) was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Ro 6:14 For sin (AC) shall not have dominion over you:

You don't understand the "Feast day" or the differences between Israel and the church, until you do, you'll not "get it right".

Read the whole link, until you have a "complete overview" you won't understand the "parts".

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3398.html

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

 

[Mel Miller]

Me4HIm,

Nothing in your last post has anything to do with
refuting Christ's promise to "raise up every
Believer and to gather the Elect from earth to
heaven after the tribulation and to send the
angels to gather us out of all extremities of the heavens on the day every eye sees Him appear
in the clouds in power and glory. On that Day He
will raise up ALL believers while the sun has
turned dark and the moon to blood".

As far as your charts are concerned, I have
looked at them fully. IMO, anyone who teaches
that the Rapture must occur by or before 2011
is what the Scripture calls a "False Teacher".

Mel www.lastday.net

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Mel Miller:
Me4HIm,

Nothing in your last post has anything to do with
refuting Christ's promise to "raise up every
Believer and to gather the Elect from earth to
heaven after the tribulation and to send the
angels to gather us out of all extremities of the heavens on the day every eye sees Him appear
in the clouds in power and glory. On that Day He
will raise up ALL believers while the sun has
turned dark and the moon to blood".

As far as your charts are concerned, I have
looked at them fully. IMO, anyone who teaches
that the Rapture must occur by or before 2011
is what the Scripture calls a "False Teacher".

Mel www.lastday.net

Christ will raise up "Everyone" when he come with "ALL HIS SAINTS", but the "Church" is "HIS BRIDE", God was married to "Israel", remember,

you're having trouble with understanding the TRINITY" and it's role in explaning the Bible.

Are the prophecies mine or taken from the scripture, and did you find a "mistake" in any of them according to scripture??

"Preconceived notions/ideas" about scripture leads to more false beliefs than misinterpretation, which are much easier to correct than "preconceived notions/ideas".

One thing "FOR SURE", we don't have long to wait and find out if the Scripture is right or not.